Richardson statue "gone for good"

[shaqattaq]

22 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

You really think Richardson sees his legacy as "tarnished"?

I'd be willing to bet that to this day, he doesn't think he did anything wrong.

I'll always be grateful to Richardson for bringing football to NC, even if he is an old racist pervert. I really wish he had silently faded away instead of having to be forced out. That tarnishes us all, and I think the team will be a lot better with him gone.

[t96]

22 hours ago, Cookie Lyon said:

That statue was absolutely hideous anyways. 

You can dislike the man all you want but it was actually a pretty cool statue. Would be much better with an elite player instead of JR obviously but the Panthers and the design was actually really cool and impressive.

[rico6]

Yeah, this thread is NOT a good look for this fan base. Good fuging god man.

 

Outsiders looking in, not all of us are enablers of  racism and sexual predation in the workplace. Please overlook these dumb ass Boomers. 

[MasterAwesome]

23 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Except I'm not "pushing" the theory. I'm acknowledging that it exists, and that it's possible.

Reading Comprehension Tip: The sentence "there's a theory that the Panthers could be moved to South Carolina" denotes the existence of a belief. It does not say that belief is true.

As to the contract, it's not available to the public. Everything we have on it is from sources. So who knows? Frankly, who cares?

Except you said that the theory makes sense, which is giving credence to it...whether you are explicitly espousing it as true or not, so that's a bit disingenuous.  You really don't need to perpetuate every baseless idea or theory you read on the internet.

"Some people say global warming is a hoax.  Is that valid?  I don't know, but it would make some sense given how cold it was this winter".

"What??? I never said global warming is a hoax...reading comprehension, duhhh!".

As he aptly compared, Trump repeats baseless conspiracy theories on his Twitter all the time and frames them ambiguously in much the same way you do so that he or his press secretary can later play dumb like "I never said it was true, I was just repeating something someone else said!".

[1of10Charnatives]

20 hours ago, shaqattaq said:

I'll always be grateful to Richardson for bringing football to NC, even if he is an old racist pervert. I really wish he had silently faded away instead of having to be forced out. That tarnishes us all, and I think the team will be a lot better with him gone.

This is about how I feel. Human beings are most often complicated and rarely all good or all bad. I used to have a great deal of respect for Richardson when what I mostly knew about him was that he got us an NFL team, he didn't ask taxpayers to build the stadium, and he took every Panthers employee to the Super Bowl when we went in 2003. I never cared for some of his stadium decorum rules but hey his team, honest difference of opinion. When he did ask for taxpayer money for the remodel, my respect went down a notch. When I found about his racist and sexual harassing behaviors, and about silencing Panthers players who wanted to kneel or speak out, he quickly went from being someone I respected to someone I just wanted gone. I've lost respect for him, but I'll still be grateful for his efforts in getting us a team.

However I'm glad he was publicly forced out. People with money and power are far more often than not able to get away with shameful and disgraceful behavior, so any time someone in power publicly suffers the consequences of such behavior is fine with me. Let him be an object lesson to other rich and powerful men that they are not immune to consequences.

[toldozer]

4 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

This is about how I feel. Human beings are most often complicated and rarely all good or all bad. I used to have a great deal of respect for Richardson when what I mostly knew about him was that he got us an NFL team, he didn't ask taxpayers to build the stadium, and he took every Panthers employee to the Super Bowl when we went in 2003. I never cared for some of his stadium decorum rules but hey his team, honest difference of opinion. When he did ask for taxpayer money for the remodel, my respect went down a notch. When I found about his racist and sexual harassing behaviors, and about silencing Panthers players who wanted to kneel or speak out, he quickly went from being someone I respected to someone I just wanted gone. I've lost respect for him, but I'll still be grateful for his efforts in getting us a team.

However I'm glad he was publicly forced out. People with money and power are far more often than not able to get away with shameful and disgraceful behavior, so any time someone in power publicly suffers the consequences of such behavior is fine with me. Let him be an object lesson to other rich and powerful men that they are not immune to consequences.

His behavior got him 2.2 billion dollars. Seems pretty immune to me.

[1of10Charnatives]

Just now, toldozer said:

His behavior got him 2.2 billion dollars. Seems pretty immune to me.

His behavior didn't get him that money. The sale of a business he owned did. The consequence was that he was forced to sell said business at a time that may not have been of his choosing. Also the public shame of having his deeds widely known. It is obvious that some in our present culture neither feel nor have any shame, but Richardson as an old school type who clearly valued his public image I would imagine felt and still feels the sting of the damage to his personal reputation.

[RASTAN66]

On 6/13/2020 at 1:47 PM, toldozer said:

His behavior got him 2.2 billion dollars. Seems pretty immune to me.

You are wildly overstating the situation. 

Jerry's stake before expenses/taxes/fines was approx $776 million...

...you're off by a factor in excess of four.

[toldozer]

6 minutes ago, RASTAN66 said:

You are wildly overstating the situation. 

Jerry's stake before expenses/taxes/fines was approx $675 million...

...you're off by a factor in excess of four.

Oh no what a mistake by me

[RASTAN66]

3 minutes ago, toldozer said:

Oh no what a mistake by me

For many accuracy & accountability really don't seem to be much of a concern these days....

[MechaZain]

I think it’s entirely possible that Tepper just wanted things to cool down first. Despite how everything went down the symbolism of craning the guy out of there soon after the purchase would have been a bit much

[MechaZain]

On 6/12/2020 at 10:16 AM, Ready 2 Win said:

It was really weird he had a statue out front to begin with. i mean when you got money like that you can do what you want but still...

But I am not understanding all the hate for him. Half of the people that make posts here are racist and will on a day to day basis make comments to female employees that in the modern age are considered sexual harassment and ground for lawsuit, call the hot latina at the restaurant a racially insensitive terms because they thing they are being cool and speaking "spanish", or suddenly speak in "down" dialect when they encounter a black person around. All micro racial aggression

This old white boy that grew up and was raised in the south when laws were racist af and that was the norm. Why are any of you surprised? You long time fans that have been around....where was your voice of this racist cracker 20 years ago? No sir...we all kept our mouths quiet because got damn country ass NC in the 90's got a major NFL franchise and this old ass good ol' boy brought it. Seriously yall didn't know?

Not cool he fuged up. With that much money he should have had people to check/educate him on the way things are done today.

 

wylin fam.

I’m actually kind of proud of how far the huddle has come. This fanbase like the states it represents has been historically on some conservative good ol boy BS but more and more are getting with the times every year. If you think this is bad this board is woke now compared to what it was just a few years ago.

[Daddy_Uncle]

Richardson probably wants it relocated to inside his house

[shaqattaq]

On 6/13/2020 at 9:43 AM, 1of10Charnatives said:

This is about how I feel. Human beings are most often complicated and rarely all good or all bad. I used to have a great deal of respect for Richardson when what I mostly knew about him was that he got us an NFL team, he didn't ask taxpayers to build the stadium, and he took every Panthers employee to the Super Bowl when we went in 2003. I never cared for some of his stadium decorum rules but hey his team, honest difference of opinion. When he did ask for taxpayer money for the remodel, my respect went down a notch. When I found about his racist and sexual harassing behaviors, and about silencing Panthers players who wanted to kneel or speak out, he quickly went from being someone I respected to someone I just wanted gone. I've lost respect for him, but I'll still be grateful for his efforts in getting us a team.

However I'm glad he was publicly forced out. People with money and power are far more often than not able to get away with shameful and disgraceful behavior, so any time someone in power publicly suffers the consequences of such behavior is fine with me. Let him be an object lesson to other rich and powerful men that they are not immune to consequences.

I get what you're saying, and hadn't looked at it as a learning moment to other old, racist perverts. I still wish he had sold the team years ago, if for no other reason than i think his good ole boy mentality and other ideologies held the team back for years prior to the 2018 scandals. I am really excited to see where the team goes in the next several years.