Players opting out

[WarHeel]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Understood, but shouldn't that have been your first statement instead of your new goalpost location?

Yes it should. While skimming the article I didn’t see that it was a cohort study until investigating the other poster’s second link to a different site but same article. Should have been the primary platform of the argument and I’ll stand by it until a larger RCT is published. That likely won’t happen soon and the literature is likely to continue to evolve just like everything else. 

[TheMostInterestingMan]

7 hours ago, imminent rogaine said:

He opted out of that fuging saints game. Devin Funchess: listed at 6’4”, plays like he’s 5’3”.

Ask Steve Smith how much that matters

[Peon Awesome]

1 hour ago, WarHeel said:

Yes it should. While skimming the article I didn’t see that it was a cohort study until investigating the other poster’s second link to a different site but same article. Should have been the primary platform of the argument and I’ll stand by it until a larger RCT is published. That likely won’t happen soon and the literature is likely to continue to evolve just like everything else. 

Do you realize it's impossible to do an RCT to answer this question? Are you sure you know how clinical trials work? A cohort study is the only feasible option.

In order for this to be a randomized controlled trial, you would have to enroll people who you randomly assign to either get purposely injected with the coronavirus or be given some placebo exposure (like inject them with normal saline). Then you'd have to do a series of cardiovascular assessments after a predetermined period of time, perhaps including a cardiac muscle biopsy if you really want to get a definitive answer. Even if an IRB anywhere in the world would somehow approve this (which they obviously wouldn't), good luck getting anyone to consent.

But sure, let's plead endless ignorance waiting on that RCT that's never coming before we can draw a single inference about the virus despite the overwhelming amount we can glean from our 4 million plus confirmed cases in the US.

[imminent rogaine]

2 hours ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Ask Steve Smith how much that matters

You miss the point. Steve smith played like he was 6’3”

[WarHeel]

1 hour ago, Peon Awesome said:

Do you realize it's impossible to do an RCT to answer this question? Are you sure you know how clinical trials work? A cohort study is the only feasible option.

In order for this to be a randomized controlled trial, you would have to enroll people who you randomly assign to either get purposely injected with the coronavirus or be given some placebo exposure (like inject them with normal saline). Then you'd have to do a series of cardiovascular assessments after a predetermined period of time, perhaps including a cardiac muscle biopsy if you really want to get a definitive answer. Even if an IRB anywhere in the world would somehow approve this (which they obviously wouldn't), good luck getting anyone to consent.

But sure, let's plead endless ignorance waiting on that RCT that's never coming before we can draw a single inference about the virus despite the overwhelming amount we can glean from our 4 million plus confirmed cases in the US.

I’d be a little more enthusiastic on a larger scale study. You’re absolutely right that there are limitations to completing noteworthy studies which is why no one really knows definitively the best course of treatment or long term effects of the virus. I’m allowed to be skeptical. And it is possible to be skeptical and simultaneously unbiased. 

[t96]

4 hours ago, bLACKpANTHER said:

NBA consistently miles ahead of any other league on a number of issues.. covid being #1 with a bullet

NHL has been ahead of the NBA with regards to COVID 

[TheMostInterestingMan]

18 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

You miss the point. Steve smith played like he was 6’3”

Haha sort of is my point though. Desire overcomes height. 
 

If you want it bad enough, you’ll figure it out. Kelvin had a far more intimidating stature. 

[t96]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They did a test group involving a similar population that hadn't been exposed to COVID. Don't ask for sources when you already have your mind made up. Also, don't quote something and then display a stunning lack of understanding of what you quoted. "Paucity" means scarcity. Those people specifically largely did not have preexisting heart issues.

A sample size of 100 means that this study is completely meaningless.

[AggieLean]

lol don’t want the NBA getting any shine or recognition at all

[Cookie Lyon]

12 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

lol don’t want the NBA getting any shine or recognition at all

You peeped that as well? The usual suspects strike again LOL.

[LinvilleGorge]

16 minutes ago, t96 said:

A sample size of 100 means that this study is completely meaningless.

78 out of 100 show clinical sings of heart damage, random huddler says irrelevant. LOL! Okay...

[4Corners]

4 hours ago, WarHeel said:

I have a better understanding of this stuff than about 99% of you on here. This study that you and another posted is a cohort study. Randomized controlled trials are the standard we need to set for research before we make generalizations. Otherwise we allow bias to control our outcomes.
 

Read up:

https://www.mdmag.com/journals/cardiology-review-online/2006/march2006/march-2006-glasser

“Using colon cancer as another example, one assumes at study outset that the subject is disease free (normal) at the time of enrollment; in fact, he or she may already have undiagnosed colon cancer. This could bias the study results because the exposure of interest (eg, a low-fiber diet) may have nothing to do with the outcome of interest (colon cancer), as the subject already has the outcome irrespective of the exposure.“

“I have a better understanding than you”

Shutup science nerd.  If you know so much why don’t you go work on a vaccine instead of wasting your valuable time talking poo on a football message board you doofus 

[WarHeel]

16 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

“I have a better understanding than you”

Shutup science nerd.  If you know so much why don’t you go work on a vaccine instead of wasting your valuable time talking poo on a football message board you doofus 

Because like pretty much everyone on this forum I know very little about immunology or virology for that matter. I know a little about research though and know that there aren’t many decent studies on COVID for anyone to generalize anything at this time. 
 

You really want to intellectually square off with me again? It’s worked so well for you in the past.

[raz]

warheel dude can skate backwards beautifully.     paucity.  that was hilarious