Stop with the tank for Trevor Bull(ish)!

[nctarheelreincarnated]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep, no way Kyler Murray goes #1 overall back during that mindset.

I dunno. If Kliff is the coach, he probably still picks Kyler. Dude has been in love with Kyler since he saw him in HS. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's one reason why it's so hard to evaluate QBs at the elite programs. Honestly, Clemson and Ohio State and Alabama, etc. backups could probably beat the vast majority of teams.

Correct. Not to mention those programs have not produced many successful NFL QB's historically. Clemson has had some decent journeyman QB's and now a bonafide star in Watson. Ohio State has literally never produced a successful NFL QB in the NFL era. And the biggest success from Alabama in the last 50 years was AJ McCarron.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

I dunno. If Kliff is the coach, he probably still picks Kyler. Dude has been in love with Kyler since he saw him in HS. 

Kliff wouldn't have been the coach back then. He would've been dismissed as a college gimmick offense coach who couldn't translate. Well, hell... I guess you're hoping what he did at the college level doesn't exactly translate anyway since it got him fired from a second tier program to begin with.

[Yaboychris28]

Says the guy who starts a Trevor Lawrence thread 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Correct. Not to mention those programs have not produced many successful NFL QB's historically. Clemson has had some decent journeyman QB's and now a bonafide star in Watson. Ohio State has literally never produced a successful NFL QB in the NFL era. And the biggest success from Alabama in the last 50 years was AJ McCarron.

You're not wrong.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's more gifted in the legs, but Burrow's ability to throw on the move is special. Trevor is pretty good at it due, but Burrow showed some Mahomes/Wilson type ability to deliver passes into small windows from the worst of positions.

He's more gifted in every aspect of actual football, IMO. I doubt his ability to be the dog that Burrow is but the gulf in their physical skill is quite large, IMO. I have seen plenty of Lawrence's elite ball placement from his freshman year onward. That was the first thing that stood out to me, quite honestly.

I'm also not a huge Burrow fan, so we will see how that take ages.

[gmonjimbo]

My issue with Lawrence and Fields is how good are they when their skill position players are all 5 star recruits. What I liked about Burrow and Tua is that they took teams that were typically mediocre in the passing game (Alabama and LSU) and transformed them with their arm talent and creativity. I say this because the best QBs in the NFL today typically did not come from schools where they were pre season No. 5 or better every year, they had to elevate the players around them. 

I would take Lawrence no.1 because I agree that he is the safest prospect and checks all the boxes in terms of height, speed, and accuracy. However, I don't believe he will change our offense over night. This team is about 2-3 years away from competing. 

[Waldo]

I don't want to waste a pick on a game manager. Those are guys you sign in free agency to fill short term holes after they prove they are not worth a non-rookie contract from the team that wasted a high pick on them. If there is a shot at a franchise QB, pull that trigger and I don't care what his name is. Make good decisions, has an arm that isn't game manager noodle BS and isn't injury prone? Pull that trigger. I don't care who the talking heads love, I would rather have a Mahomes or Cam over a Tuberski or Gabert. That poo was only close to people who don't have eyes or sense...which is most talking heads/content filling yap machines. 

If not, find a good player at another spot and wait till next year. 

Talking about the draft in September is a sure sign too many fugups have happened and if that bothers you then you might want to hibernate until next year.

[ncfan]

1. No matter if we purposely tanked.  We arent beating out the Jets for the worst team.  Lawerence is becoming a run away lock for Trevor.

 

2. Even if we land Trevor. Unless we fix this OL, it wont matter.

 

This team is littered with holes and we have a coach on a Loong deal.  And honestly Bridgewater struggled yesterday, but he hasnt been all that bad.  Any QB getting the amount of pressure, in particularly up the middle, will struggle.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

My issue with Lawrence and Fields is how good are they when their skill position players are all 5 star recruits. What I liked about Burrow and Tua is that they took teams that were typically mediocre in the passing game (Alabama and LSU) and transformed them with their arm talent and creativity. I say this because the best QBs in the NFL today typically did not come from schools were they were pre season No. 5 or better every year, they had to elevate the players around them. 

I would take Lawrence no.1 because I agree that he is the safest prospect and checks all the boxes in terms of height, speed, and accuracy. However, I don't believe he will change our offense over night. This team is about 2-3 years away from competing. 

I just haven't seen much stuff like this from Trevor. That's straight Russell Wilson bullshit that drives you crazy. You did everything right on that play. It should've been a sack. Maybe a safety. And somehow he still Burns you for a big one.

https://gfycat.com/brokenbitterbabirusa-joe-burrow-highlights-vs-clemson

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

My issue with Lawrence and Fields is how good are they when their skill position players are all 5 star recruits. What I liked about Burrow and Tua is that they took teams that were typically mediocre in the passing game (Alabama and LSU) and transformed them with their arm talent and creativity. I say this because the best QBs in the NFL today typically did not come from schools where they were pre season No. 5 or better every year, they had to elevate the players around them. 

I would take Lawrence no.1 because I agree that he is the safest prospect and checks all the boxes in terms of height, speed, and accuracy. However, I don't believe he will change our offense over night. This team is about 2-3 years away from competing. 

That might hold water except that Alabama and LSU have, year in and year out, exceptional WR's. In fact, they produce a TON of NFL talent at those positions. What has mostly been the case at Alabama and LSU is that they typically run much more conservative, old school offenses. It's easy for them to do that when they are leaps and bound more talented, bigger and deeper than the bulk of their opponents. 

They evolved not just because they finally had elite QB's but because college football as a whole started to make it much harder to just line up and be "better" than the team in front of you.

[Fox007]

17 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Actually, rumor has it that we were going to draft Wilson. 

That would have been interesting! 

He was lucky to go to Seattle. 

I don't know man this team could really use those 360 no scope punt passes that somehow always work out for Wilson.

[t96]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Kliff wouldn't have been the coach back then. He would've been dismissed as a college gimmick offense coach who couldn't translate. Well, hell... I guess you're hoping what he did at the college level doesn't exactly translate anyway since it got him fired from a second tier program to begin with.

I don't know, Chip Kelly got hired back then. Also, that CFL offensive guy in Chicago, forget his name. But teams did still take a chance on gimmicky offensive coaches even nearly a decade ago

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

My issue with Lawrence and Fields is how good are they when their skill position players are all 5 star recruits. What I liked about Burrow and Tua is that they took teams that were typically mediocre in the passing game (Alabama and LSU) and transformed them with their arm talent and creativity. I say this because the best QBs in the NFL today typically did not come from schools where they were pre season No. 5 or better every year, they had to elevate the players around them. 

I would take Lawrence no.1 because I agree that he is the safest prospect and checks all the boxes in terms of height, speed, and accuracy. However, I don't believe he will change our offense over night. This team is about 2-3 years away from competing. 

Let's be fair though. Alabama and LSU were only pedestrian offenses due to philosophy. It wasn't a talent issue. Not even close to it. I mean, LSU's offense was pedestrian with Burrow the year before Brady arrived.