Good Ownership

[hepcat]

4 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Tepper’s grade is: better than his predecessor. 

As a human being, oh hell yes. From a strictly football standpoint his ownership hasn’t yielded any degree of success yet.

[beo]

There's not really any set perimeters on what constitutes good ownership and what doesn't, but I generally look for a few traits in judging if an owner is good or not:

 

No/limited meddling - Pretty obvious, being extremely rich and owning a football team does not make you a football mastermind. Ideally an owner is hands off but willing to make change when it makes itself clear. Unfortunately, many owners didn't get this memo. Jerry Jones, for example, effectively serves as the GM of the Cowboys.. and oh boy. The Redskins are a good figurehead for this as well.

 

A lack of **excessive** greed - All NFL owners will naturally be greedy being as rich as they are, especially ones that aren't legacy owners.  At some point though, some shine above the others. Owners who abandoned a city and fanbase for an extra profit, or fuged over a city by asking for an extremely expensive stadium that could lead to budget shortages in a few years for the city in question. The Chargers, for example, moved to LA entirely out of greed after rightfully having a ludicrously expensive stadium proposal rejected by the city of San Diego. I am a little worried Tepper might try to pull something like this in the near future, the Panthers moving isn't out of the woodworks just yet.

The Chargers have also had a habit of low balling their rookie draft picks in contract negotiations. They are just one example of this, there are others as well and the grand majority of bad owners are usually excessively greedy. See: The Bengals with the Hamilton County fuging and how they hold onto coaches and players for way too long to avoid paying out salaries.

 

No nepotism - Yeah, this is pretty obvious. Promoting your family members to positions within your organization just because is not good football acumen. A certain Panthers owner was guilty of this, but his rate pales in comparison to many other lower tier owners. The Bears have developed such a rate of organizational inbreeding that it would make the average medieval European royal family blush. They are probably the finest example of this.

 

Excessive Loyalty -  Keeping people around for too long in managerial roles that have clearly had the game pass them by out of a sense of loyalty does not produce wins in the NFL. The Panthers past regime is a shining example of this, and I don't really think I need to go into further detail about why this is not good to have in a front office.

 

Complacency - Being content with mediocrity or even bad football. Running the team like a country club. Again, a certain Panthers owner would fit this criteria, but to avoid ragging on JR again and again i'll give a different example instead. You can do worse than JR in this regard IMO. For instance, the Bidwills, along with their extreme greed, have been nothing but content with mediocrity ever since they bought the Cardinals all those decades ago. The longest/2nd longest (?) championship in North American sports, with a large portion of it coming under their ownership. 

 

Stubbornness - I don't need to explain this one, it goes hand in hand with the others most of the time.

 

I don't think that an ownership having one of these traits inherently makes them bad or below average, but it certainly tends to bring teams down and lower their placement on the hypothetical "top owners" list. Sometimes, ownerships are good enough to succeed in spite of having a few of these characteristics, but generally not. There are many of them which do not even really seek to win, rather to make money off of their investment by nickle and diming the fans and players. Tepper at least seems to care about winning, which is a plus, but he has made mistakes and I am still a tad worried about how involved he is with football operations.

 

There are also other traits that are more restricted to certain teams but are definitely not quirks you want in an owner, such as: Way too happy trigger finger (Haslam/Browns), Complimenting a female employee's ass (Lol), Off-field Scandals (Kreonke/Rams), and more. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[DaveThePanther2008]

5 hours ago, Panther Believer said:

Yeah, Ravens ownership is in the elite category for sure. People forget they were founded in 1996 and got a Superbowl in 2001, that's damn impressive. Always draft very well and always seem to be in the hunt. I think Tepper is definitely done some very good things especially to the FO, it's just going to be difficult for him to live down how poorly he handled the Cam release. 

That's not accurate.  They were the Cleveland Browns and moved to Baltimore.  Art Modell moved them. 

They've been amazing since they left Cleveland.  Maybe Cleveland is just cursed. 

[SizzleBuzz]

50 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

That's not accurate.  They were the Cleveland Browns and moved to Baltimore.  Art Modell moved them. 

They've been amazing since they left Cleveland.  Maybe Cleveland is just cursed. 

A change in ownership was the key catalyst to the long-term success.

Bisciotti is a great owner.

[Star Platinum]

My personal belief is that our ownership having had years to observe a well run program, and along with his obvious intelligence, and business acumen, brings insight shared from one of the two elite teams mentioned, it isn’t a small thing that he was a minor owner for the Steelers, and so there are a lot of reasons to believe in mister Tepper and his abilities to run a program, and if not operational knowledge, knowledge on how to hire the right people.

other owners who follow that mold, of hands off but effective leadership, are those like the ravens and mister Biscotti, though he isn’t mentioned often that program has always had good direction, and the right people at the wheel

The Seahawks under mister Allen saw a fantastic resurgence and sustained success.

and lastly on the short list of owners I would accep,  would probably be the current owner of the bills, after taking over I feel they kept a level head in keeping the franchise in Buffalo, and since then it’s been one solid hire after another, to build what looks to be a strong program.

[JawnyBlaze]

6 hours ago, hepcat said:

As a human being, oh hell yes. From a strictly football standpoint his ownership hasn’t yielded any degree of success yet.

He got rid of Rivera. Gives him an immediate advantage. As soon as he gets rid of Hurney it’ll be set in stone.  The success will come, it takes time. His ownership has had the misfortune of our star QB getting injured, then settling for a far inferior QB while the rebuild process plays out. I have a very optimistic view of our future as soon as we get our QB of the future. Rhule has thoroughly impressed me. 

[TheCasillas]

Good ownership = super bowl in the modern nfl and perennial contenders

elite ownership = multiple super bowls and perennial division winners 

 

elite:

Patriots

ravens

saints

steelers

seahawks 

 

[SizzleBuzz]

9 hours ago, hepcat said:

 From a strictly football standpoint his ownership hasn’t yielded any degree of success yet.

It's only 3-2 count with zero-outs in the bottom of the first-inning of a doubleheader...

[DaveThePanther2008]

8 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

A change in ownership was the key catalyst to the long-term success.

Bisciotti is a great owner.

Not disputing that they are elite.  The poster made it sound as if Baltimore was a new franchise and that wasn't accurate.

[SizzleBuzz]

7 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Not disputing that they are elite.  The poster made it sound as if Baltimore was a new franchise and that wasn't accurate.

Understood.  You were spot on.  In fact, I had completely forgotten about that because the NFL positioned it as an "expansion" and has listed them as such since --- but your characterization is the correct one.

[shaqattaq]

15 hours ago, Captain Morgan said:

funny you posted this.  I was flipping through channels and landed on PTI on Espn, and they were doing a segment about an owner, I think maybe a baseball team, but Kornheiser said something about owners being hard heads or something, then said he thought Tepper was going to be that kind of guy but now, despite the record of the team so far, he's starting to come around that Tepper is going to be a winning owner.

I really hope so. To me, the qualities that make a good owner is results, and it's just too early to make that call right now. He has gotten us a good coaching staff and we no longer have to practice in hotel conference rooms when there's a storm, so I have a lot of hope for him. I assume that Hurney is just a figure head at this point, and not really making too many decisions.

[Mr. Scot]

Only one mention of the Hunt family in Kansas City?

The Pegulas is in Buffalo are still new but showing promise. They're the only example of husband-wife partnership in the league that I know of.

49ers ownership of the past would have definitely been in the elite category but current ownership is nowhere near as effective and has sometimes been controversial (as with Jim Harbaugh).

Titans ownership has generally kept the team competitive but they've yet to deliver a championship.

[AU-panther]

19 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

So here's a question I've been pondering...

How many teams in the NFL can rightly be said to have good ownership?

Elite ownership is limited to two teams, the Patriots and the Steelers. Some might argue for the Packers, but that's a sidebar all its own given their structure.

I'm interested in what teams beyond the big two people would credit with having really good leadership and guidance at the top.

Also feel free to name the worst of the worst (goodness knows there's plenty of contenders).

And finally, although the most obvious grade for him is "incomplete" right now, where do you put David Tepper in this hierarchy?

Ravens?

At the end of the day good coaching, good GMing, good ownership is about consistently putting a winner on the field over a long stretch of time.

Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Saints, Packers? 

What teams have made the playoffs the most the last 10-15 years? There is your answer 
 

 

[Paa Langfart]

19 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Elite ownership is limited to two teams, the Patriots

So 3 cheating scandals and 1 underage sex trade hooker equals elite ownership skills?

I would also add that having probably the goat coach of all time and one of the best qb's of all time probably has a lot more to do with the pats success than massage parlor kraft.