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Donte Jackson close to being elite?

Varking

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31 minutes ago, Varking said:

Well his number one priority is covering people. If our dline and linebackers do their job we shouldn’t be asking him to make tons of tackles on running back. 

That would be fantastic if teams would stop running ISO’s to him directly, why do they do that? Oh yeah because he does not attack the ball carrier. He is doing a good job in coverage but he has to hold his own in the run game. Right now he is a liability in the run game. I agree we need line backers to keep gap integrity, but when teams audible to you intentionally you have to make the play, otherwise you only need to see the field on obvious passing situations.

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7 minutes ago, philit99 said:

That would be fantastic if teams would stop running ISO’s to him directly, why do they do that? Oh yeah because he does not attack the ball carrier. He is doing a good job in coverage but he has to hold his own in the run game. Right now he is a liability in the run game. I agree we need line backers to keep gap integrity, but when teams audible to you intentionally you have to make the play, otherwise you only need to see the field on obvious passing situations.

Ever wonder why they don’t run at him every play? Because the dline and linebackers can stop that if they do their job. 

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32 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think he's running out of "learning" time. If he's coming into practice and meetings with the right attitude I hope the staff basically treats this as a medical redshirt year. If he hasn't, he should potentially be on the chopping block

 

If he was still having those issues he would be cut already. Rhule has no loyalty to him because he wasn’t here when we drafted him. I haven’t heard or read about any issues from him lately and no news is good news. Seems to be doing the right things and playing well. Imagine if we kept Bradberry...

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If he was still having those issues he would be cut already. Rhule has no loyalty to him because he wasn’t here when we drafted him. I haven’t heard or read about any issues from him lately and no news is good news. Seems to be doing the right things and playing well. Imagine if we kept Bradberry...

Hurney just recently got fired.

I hope DJax is coachable because he has some talent to work with. I'm not ready to give up on him just yet, I would just understand it if there's behind the scenes reasons that the staff is ready to give up in him.

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I'm super optimistic that it looks like the current coaching staff has a plan and a "type" (great athletes who they can coach up) and you can look no further than the last draft class' contributions early on and the fact that the two most frustrating players on the roster, Curtis and DJack, have shown marked improvement this year. We'd probably appreciate it more if the team had more talent and wins tbh..

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I also vividly remember Chris Gamble being hated on this board and never catching a criticism break bc of a bad special teams play in Minnesota but eventually he turned into a good player. He was legit his last few years here, late bloomer type which makes sense since he was learning to play CB on the fly in the NFL. 

Thomas Davis wasn't good until his tore his knee up a few times and we switched to the Tampa 2 (then he suddenly was better than Beason). I'm willing to be patient with certain guys (reason I haven't mentioned Greg Little).

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10 hours ago, philit99 said:

That would be fantastic if teams would stop running ISO’s to him directly, why do they do that? Oh yeah because he does not attack the ball carrier. He is doing a good job in coverage but he has to hold his own in the run game. Right now he is a liability in the run game. I agree we need line backers to keep gap integrity, but when teams audible to you intentionally you have to make the play, otherwise you only need to see the field on obvious passing situations.

Man you're picking a weird hill to die on. There's not a lot of 5'10 corners who are going to attack the run and before you say "what about this guy" know they're the exception, not the rule. Running isos towards DBs is something....that's a common gameplan.

But that said, Donte has still put played with physicality against the run a few times this season.

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4 minutes ago, Rags said:

Man you're picking a weird hill to die on. There's not a lot of 5'10 corners who are going to attack the run and before you say "what about this guy" know they're the exception, not the run. Running isos towards DBs is something....that's a common gameplan.

But that said, Donte has still put played with physicality against the run a few times this season.

In all honesty, his tackling and physicality in the running game is VERY hit or miss.

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Donte Jackson has made improvements as the season progressed. I hope he continues to improve in both the passing and run game. I hate CB’s having to make plays in stopping the run, but it is a fact of life in the NFL. I watched a ton of tape earlier this year where Donte avoided making any contact on a RB. He has looked much better in the last 3 games or so. Unfortunately, if you are a defender it is your job is to stop the ball carrier. You can’t be elite if you are only judging half his game.

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