can anyone prove that a sports franchise has ever purposely lost games to have a higher draft pick?

[MHS831]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/04/doug-pederson-on-qb-change-i-was-coaching-to-win/

 

[MHS831]

The Eagles soiled the integrity of the game---not by benching starters so much as making decisions to lose. You could see it in the faces of the players on the sideline when they were down by 6 (after electing to NOT kick the game tying FG) and injecting a scrub QB to assure a loss. While the coach said he was trying to win, it should be noted that he has never inserted that QB before when trying to win. 

The league should fine them and remove a first-round draft pick.

[MHS831]

So GOAT, do you still think Tanking is "fan fueled?"

[Fox007]

On 1/3/2021 at 9:14 AM, PhillyB said:

burden of proof is actually on you for this

True, but no one ever said they had proof another team tanked. The conversation is about wanting a higher pick and putting in like Grier or some other way to "help you lose the game".

[Varking]

1 hour ago, Fox007 said:

True, but no one ever said they had proof another team tanked. The conversation is about wanting a higher pick and putting in like Grier or some other way to "help you lose the game".

I provided an example of proof. And now this Eagles game is further proof. 

[MasterAwesome]

In defense of the OP...the two examples given that hold the most weight (TB in 2014 leading to the Jameis pick + last night's Eagles game) were within the confines of a single game, or a single half of a game with respect to the former.  Lots of people had wanted us to tank the entire season and most others wanted us to tank for practically the entire second half of this season.  Those are drastically different scopes than tanking the season finale by benching/withholding starters.  Imagine the public outcry after what Philly pulled last night....but for 16 consecutive games.

[stbugs]

22 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

In defense of the OP...the two examples given that hold the most weight (TB in 2014 leading to the Jameis pick + last night's Eagles game) were within the confines of a single game, or a single half of a game with respect to the former.  Lots of people had wanted us to tank the entire season and most others wanted us to tank for practically the entire second half of this season.  Those are drastically different scopes than tanking the season finale by benching/withholding starters.  Imagine the public outcry after what Philly pulled last night....but for 16 consecutive games.

Miami in 2019, 76ers, Colts starting Curtis Painter for more than half the year while the phrase suck for luck became a saying, tons of NBA and MLB teams. NFL doesn’t happen quite as often because there isn’t a big trade deadline where players get moved for picks or prospects. Trading doesn’t happen nearly as much and that’s a big part of tanking like Miami trading away their best talent on rookie deals for picks while saving up cap space. Jets and Jags did the same recently as well. San Diego Padres are a contender now because they’ve been trading away their established players for years to build up their farm system. The Marlins have done it for years, build up prospects for a run at the title and then dismantle when it will be expensive and do it again.

There are many examples of sports franchises trying to get top picks by selling off/trading away players and not signing expensive FAs to fill holes. So many that in some cases they coined phrases.

[SizzleBuzz]

Is there any proof an NFL franchise has ever executed a "tank" that ultimately resulted in the hoisting of a Lombardi Trophy?

[Shocker]

I still wish we would have lost to WFT and I don't give a fug what thats called or who doesn’t like it.

[GOAT]

3 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Is there any proof an NFL franchise has ever executed a "tank" that ultimately resulted in the hoisting of a Lombardi Trophy?

any sport at that, this thread fell apart when nobody felt the need to answer the second half of the two part question lmao...

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, Shocker said:

I still wish we would have lost to WFT and I don't give a fug what thats called or who doesn’t like it.

I think it is different to rest players according to a plan than it is to make calls during the game to sabotage the team's chance to win.  Not tying the game and then inserting a 3rd string, terrible QB when he did--he was probably expecting to be losing so badly by then he would not have to intervene---

Remember what happened in NY when the Jets blew a game deliberately.  They took action and fired the DC and later, the coach.  We shall see if anyone gets involved.

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, GOAT said:

any sport at that, this thread fell apart when nobody felt the need to answer the second half of the two part question lmao...

THREAD TITLE:  can anyone prove that a sports franchise has ever purposely lost games to have a higher draft pick?

[SmokinwithWilly]

Washington was tanking. Haskins had no business starting vs Carolina. And Pederson just out tanked him last night. They need a QB and it would have cost a lot less if Philly hadn't done such a good job sealing the loss. Rivera knows they are likely one and done. Winning the NFC east was a net loss. 

[GOAT]

On 1/2/2021 at 6:09 PM, GOAT said:

Enough is enough, I posed this question in another thread but feel the need to challenge this to the entire forum.

Can anyone provide info pertaining to a sports franchise purposely losing games to improve their draft position?

I'm even expanding this to other sports, I cannot think of a single time when a team obviously lost games in order to improve their draft positioning.

I don't believe that this is a real strategy and if that is the case, this weird fan fueled theory needs to be put to rest once and for all.

(BONUS: if you can provide an example of a team doing this, please include how this improved their team in the long run ie Rhule mentioning the Sixers believing in this method and it getting them nowhere...)

 

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

THREAD TITLE:  can anyone prove that a sports franchise has ever purposely lost games to have a higher draft pick?