Rhule better make the playoffs next season

[Proudiddy]

8 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Oh 

After seeing how their own players (Hurts specifically) handled the blatant tank job the Eagles just pulled I thought maybe some would realize why Rhule didn’t think it was such a great idea. 

Plenty of teams do it in less obvious ways that doesn't have the negative impact on their team that Pederson's approach just did.  There's a difference between giving all of the young guys a full week of prep in practice and most of the snaps on gameday to "evaluate," versus being down 3 in a game with all of your starters and purposely playing to lose before inserting your 3rd string QB with no hopes of ever becoming anything than what he already is.  Rhule had options.  He chose the worst one.

[JawnyBlaze]

He didn’t try THAT hard last week. I mean, he left Teddy in. 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Plenty of teams do it in less obvious ways that doesn't have the negative impact on their team that Pederson's approach just did.  There's a difference between giving all of the young guys a full week of prep in practice and most of the snaps on gameday to "evaluate," versus being down 3 in a game with all of your starters and purposely playing to lose before inserting your 3rd string QB with no hopes of ever becoming anything than what he already is.  Rhule had options.  He chose the worst one.

This. That's one of the things about what Pederson just did that won't get mentioned but absolutely should. He out some fringe roster caliber players in an absolutely awful situation tonight throwing them to the wolves against a very good D playing for their playoff lives. That Eagles' OL was struggling mightily but Hurts was still able to make enough plays to keep them competitive. Pederson isn't dumb. He knew exactly what was gonna happen when he pulled Hurts. He didn't just throw a game. He put guys who are just hoping to make an NFL roster next year in an awful situation where they predicably put some awful play on tape.

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

Plenty of teams do it in less obvious ways that doesn't have the negative impact on their team that Pederson's approach just did.  There's a difference between giving all of the young guys a full week of prep in practice and most of the snaps on gameday to "evaluate," versus being down 3 in a game with all of your starters and purposely playing to lose before inserting your 3rd string QB with no hopes of ever becoming anything than what he already is.  Rhule had options.  He chose the worst one.

I don’t think anyone is happy about losing the 3rd overall pick but Rhule was brought in because of his ability to build. Which takes patience. They know damn well they need a QB. It was never realistic for us to be competitive this year and most likely next year as well. You knew that prior to this season. 
 

What if we draft Trey Lance? It’s a well known fact he needs time to development. Are you still going to be this mad if we don’t make the playoffs next season while trying to ease a rookie QB into the game?

[Mr. Scot]

46 minutes ago, Call Me James said:

The team needs to be in the hunt for the playoffs next year. 

If they aren't Rhule will deservedly be in the hot seat going into year 3.

No...he won't. Not with David Tepper anyway.

Tepper gave him a seven year contract and has repeatedly talked about the team building process taking five years or so.

Barring some major shocks, Matt Rhule isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[hepcat]

6 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I don’t think anyone is happy about losing the 3rd overall pick but Rhule was brought in because of his ability to build. Which takes patience. They know damn well they need a QB. It was never realistic for us to be competitive this year and most likely next year as well. You knew that prior to this season. 
 

What if we draft Trey Lance? It’s a well known fact he needs time to development. Are you still going to be this mad if we don’t make the playoffs next season while trying to ease a rookie QB into the game?

It’s easier to give the team a pass if they are developing a young QB. Growing pains are expected for a rookie QB. It’s when you sign a veteran QB for $20m a season and he sucks that fans get impatient and angry.

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

It’s easier to give the team a pass if they are developing a young QB. Growing pains are expected for a rookie QB. It’s when you sign a veteran QB for $20m a season and he sucks that fans get impatient and angry.

Right but wasn’t that always the plan? To have a young QB sit behind Bridgewater either this year or next? Then hopefully start becoming competitive 2022 or 2023?

Obviously the plan wasn’t for Bridgewater to regress into absolute dog sh!t the second half of the season but yah

[CarolinaNCSU]

I can't really buy us being worse next year, even WITH Teddy.  CMC back, rookies progress, coaching staff gets an offseason, etc.  

Could easily see us being a little like the NFC East next season though, depending on QB situations.  Atlanta continues to suck and/or rebuild with cap issues, Brees retires and New Orleans blows it up a bit due to cap issues, and Brady's decline will hit eventually.  We really think Taysom Hill and a watered down Saints team is winning 10+ games with a 1st place schedule?  Brady will be 44 and the Bucs go back to being the Bucs when his arm goes.  Could easily see the division being won with 8-9 games next year. 

[Aussie Tank]

Your gonna be a happy little Vegemite when we draft a QB and sit him behind Teddy most of the year 

[CPsinceDay1]

If Atlanta gets Fields at pick 3, we need to win the Superbowl, 6 years left Coach.

[Aussie Tank]

8 minutes ago, CPsinceDay1 said:

If Atlanta gets Fields at pick 3, we need to win the Superbowl, 6 years left Coach.

Are they trading up?

[bigskypanthersguy]

9 minutes ago, CPsinceDay1 said:

If Atlanta gets Fields at pick 3, we need to win the Superbowl, 6 years left Coach.

Reading that he struggles to read defenses makes me want to pass on him.

Besides, knowing Atlanta, they'll draft some undersized pass-rusher.

[Mage]

Man, I don't mean this with any disrespect towards any of you but there's been WAY too much complaining about falling out of the #3 slot.

Would it have been nice to pick that high?  Yes.  But is it going to make a huge difference in whether this team turns out to be good in the long-term or not (which is the reason we brought Rhule in the first place - to establish a consistent, winning franchise)?  No, it will not.  

Yes, you want to pick that one great player.  But that one great player isn't what makes great franchises.  It is great organizations who can bring in great players.  

What have the Lions done with Matt Stafford, who would easily have been a much better prospect than anyone in this draft outside of Lawrence?  How long did it take the Browns to finally have success despite a litany of high picks?  The Texans have Deshaun Watson, one of the biggest game breakers in the league, and yet they finished 4-12.  Another guy who is likely going to be a superior QB to anyone we could grab at #3, and yet the team is bad.  Why?  Because the front office and coaching failed to build a team.

We are fans of a team who took Cam Newton #1, and failed to build a consistent winner behind him.  0 back-to-back winning seasons in his tenure here.  We even secured a HOFer in Luke Kuechly the next year.  Again, a player who odds are will be better than who we take at #3 (because odds are never that you are going to draft a HOFer).  And still not a consistent winner.

The doom-and-gloom from some of you needs to stop.  Yes, Matt Rhule and co. have more to prove.  But the early results have been very promising.  Stop letting Bridgewater's poor performance blind you from the fact that this was an EXTREMELY competitive team despite tough competition, including great outings against the Packers, Chiefs, and Saints (in the first game).  Our rookies were outstanding.  Almost every player on the team showed improvement outside of a select few (Greg Little, Teddy B).  Hell, even Tre Boston started coming on strong by season's end.  This team greatly out-performed its talent-level.  This was far more than any reasonable fan should have expected.

Just be patient.  Let the team grow.  And stop freaking out about not picking at #3.  It isn't nearly as important as some of you seem to think it is.  Great QBs, especially nowadays, can come from anywhere in the first and second round.  Trust me, whether this run with Rhule succeeds or not is not going to come down to whether we picked #3 or whatever in 2021.  

[*FreeFua*]

13 minutes ago, Mage said:

Man, I don't mean this with any disrespect towards any of you but there's been WAY too much complaining about falling out of the #3 slot.

Would it have been nice to pick that high?  Yes.  But is it going to make a huge difference in whether this team turns out to be good in the long-term or not (which is the reason we brought Rhule in the first place - to establish a consistent, winning franchise)?  No, it will not.  

Yes, you want to pick that one great player.  But that one great player isn't what makes great franchises.  It is great organizations who can bring in great players.  

What have the Lions done with Matt Stafford, who would easily have been a much better prospect than anyone in this draft outside of Lawrence?  How long did it take the Browns to finally have success despite a litany of high picks?  The Texans have Deshaun Watson, one of the biggest game breakers in the league, and yet they finished 4-12.  Another guy who is likely going to be a superior QB to anyone we could grab at #3, and yet the team is bad.  Why?  Because the front office and coaching failed to build a team.

We are fans of a team who took Cam Newton #1, and failed to build a consistent winner behind him.  0 back-to-back winning seasons in his tenure here.  We even secured a HOFer in Luke Kuechly the next year.  Again, a player who odds are will be better than who we take at #3 (because odds are never that you are going to draft a HOFer).  And still not a consistent winner.

The doom-and-gloom from some of you needs to stop.  Yes, Matt Rhule and co. have more to prove.  But the early results have been very promising.  Stop letting Bridgewater's poor performance blind you from the fact that this was an EXTREMELY competitive team despite tough competition, including great outings against the Packers, Chiefs, and Saints (in the first game).  Our rookies were outstanding.  Almost every player on the team showed improvement outside of a select few (Greg Little, Teddy B).  Hell, even Tre Boston started coming on strong by season's end.  This team greatly out-performed its talent-level.  This was far more than any reasonable fan should have expected.

Just be patient.  Let the team grow.  And stop freaking out about not picking at #3.  It isn't nearly as important as some of you seem to think it is.  Great QBs, especially nowadays, can come from anywhere in the first and second round.  Trust me, whether this run with Rhule succeeds or not is not going to come down to whether we picked #3 or whatever in 2021.