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Carolina Panthers 1st round draft mini breakdown

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Specifically what are your reservations with Fields? For me it's consistency. It seems like when he's fully in, he's as good or better than anyone but it also seems to me like there's too many games where he just shows up and goes through the motions. 

But watching him shred Venables and that Clemson D... I mean fug...

I think the world of Venables. Honestly there aren't a ton of NFL DCs I'd take over him.

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13 minutes ago, Varking said:

Justin Fields shredded Clemson on a national stage for 6 touchdown passes and 385 passing yards. Trey Lance has never thrown for 385 yards in a game. Trey Lance has 5 passing touchdowns total in his last 4 games. I’m going to need to hear the reasoning behind ranking Lance above him. 

He once threw for 313.  Other than that he only broke 200 yards twice. I don't get it either. Against the competition he faced I have no interest at all in the guy at pick 8 and can't imagine him going above Fields in any situation.

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I tell you all every year 

Tape >>> Stats. 

I'll get into the whole Fields vs Lance/Wilson thing later. Just know that Fields game against Clemson certainly helped him a lot, but you should go back and watch his two previous game as well a spay attention to where his deep balls land against Clemson with keeping in mind in the NFL DBs are going to drape receivers and your QB is going to have under 3 seconds to throw.

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3 minutes ago, Verge said:

I tell you all every year 

Tape >>> Stats. 

I'll get into the whole Fields vs Lance/Wilson thing later. Just know that Fields game against Clemson certainly helped him a lot, but you should go back and watch his two previous game as well a spay attention to where his deep balls land against Clemson with keeping in mind in the NFL DBs are going to drape receivers and your QB is going to have under 3 seconds to throw.

Please do. And if you’re going to go back a few games to look for bad tape, don’t forget the previous entire year of great tape as well. And don’t forget to include Lances tape from 2020. 

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19 minutes ago, Varking said:

Justin Fields shredded Clemson on a national stage for 6 touchdown passes and 385 passing yards. Trey Lance has never thrown for 385 yards in a game. Trey Lance has 5 passing touchdowns total in his last 4 games. I’m going to need to hear the reasoning behind ranking Lance above him. 

Verge already told you why Lance will be coveted; Lance has tools and a skill set that can be molded and refined into anything you want.

 

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19 minutes ago, Varking said:

Justin Fields shredded Clemson on a national stage for 6 touchdown passes and 385 passing yards. Trey Lance has never thrown for 385 yards in a game. Trey Lance has 5 passing touchdowns total in his last 4 games. I’m going to need to hear the reasoning behind ranking Lance above him. 

A lot of it has to do with his measurables and potential. His skillset is rare and would have teams drooling. It's a bigger risk drafting him since you'd have to have a really good coaching staff to take care of him and a plan in place, but if a team can mold him he will be a big problem for the league. Josh Allen didn't have very much production in college either and was wildly inaccurate, but was dripping with freaky upside. The Bills ended up developing Allen and surrounding him with talent. If we can attempt to do the same with Lance I'd do it. I'm just tired of seeing dickless football every Sunday. 

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16 minutes ago, Varking said:

Justin Fields shredded Clemson on a national stage for 6 touchdown passes and 385 passing yards. Trey Lance has never thrown for 385 yards in a game. Trey Lance has 5 passing touchdowns total in his last 4 games. I’m going to need to hear the reasoning behind ranking Lance above him. 

Josh Allen never threw for 385 yards during a game in college either. 

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4 minutes ago, Verge said:

I tell you all every year 

Tape >>> Stats. 

I'll get into the whole Fields vs Lance/Wilson thing later. Just know that Fields game against Clemson certainly helped him a lot, but you should go back and watch his two previous game as well a spay attention to where his deep balls land against Clemson with keeping in mind in the NFL DBs are going to drape receivers and your QB is going to have under 3 seconds to throw.

They just don't listen.

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1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Verge already told you why Lance will be coveted; Lance has tools and a skill set that can be molded and refined into anything you want.

 

Fields literally has the same skill set except he can throw better and has done it for longer. He’s also probably going to post a better 40 time than Lance. 

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7 minutes ago, Verge said:

I tell you all every year 

Tape >>> Stats. 

I'll get into the whole Fields vs Lance/Wilson thing later. Just know that Fields game against Clemson certainly helped him a lot, but you should go back and watch his two previous game as well a spay attention to where his deep balls land against Clemson with keeping in mind in the NFL DBs are going to drape receivers and your QB is going to have under 3 seconds to throw.

Those deep balls definitely weren't as well placed as some. Notably my man crush Sam Howell's. That dude legit throws as good of a deep ball as any QB I've ever seen.

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Watching tape, but not really for results. 

Footwork, release, reads, pocket presence, throwing on the run, the route tree, etc. I do not know the answer because I have not looked and in some areas of QB assessment, I have no idea what I am seeing vs. the ideal.  Will be fun to take a look

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