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Carolina Panthers to be 'aggressive' in pursuit of potential Deshaun Watson trade


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Just now, CRA said:

I personally never considered him that.   In how I define things I’d put him in whatever tier Stafford climbed into.  

Id say Stafford is elite. Understand being different/picky about "elite" label. He was just the last one I thought of being traded, hell feels like he wore a leather helmet. Orton was a decent QB, who did get to SB was included in that trade.  miss the early memes for those times 

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5 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Id say Stafford is elite. Understand being different/picky about "elite" label. He was just the last one I thought of being traded, hell feels like he wore a leather helmet. Orton was a decent QB, who did get to SB was included in that trade.  miss the early memes for those times 

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I thought this meme was Rex Grossman.

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7 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Id say Stafford is elite. Understand being different/picky about "elite" label. He was just the last one I thought of being traded, hell feels like he wore a leather helmet. Orton was a decent QB, who did get to SB was included in that trade.  miss the early memes for those times 

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I don't care who you are you don't average 4300 passing yards and 27tds a season without being elite... Staffords the only reason they didn't become the only team with multiple 0-16 seasons. He's led some crazy come backs with absolutely no defense.

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15 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Id say Stafford is elite. Understand being different/picky about "elite" label. He was just the last one I thought of being traded, hell feels like he wore a leather helmet. Orton was a decent QB, who did get to SB was included in that trade.  miss the early memes for those times 

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I mean Joe Montana is arguably the GOAT.  He got traded.  Moon got traded.   They both went on to remain Pro Bowlers with their new teams.   Granted they were clearly on the backend.   But talk about big time.

Favre and Hasselbeck got traded and went on to lead their teams into Super Bowls.  They never really got going yet with their original teams. 

I do agree with the notion there is no Watson comparable out there.   No one traded at this early moment with a career ahead of him.....when the entire league fully knows what he is and how great he is.   All examples of that tier QB happened earlier or later in a career.

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In all seriousness I would love getting Watson at a price that wouldn't morgage the future.

I have noticed the "All in for Watson crowd" Happens to be a lot of the same people that complained for years about Cam not having an oline or weapons or CBs who could hold a lead.... The same will happen to Watson if you pony that much up..

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I had another thought to share, so I returned. 

Let's say Watson costs 3 first rounders.  Is that worth it?

If you think he is the QB for the next decade, yes.   Look at the Jets--lotta first round busts that take 3 years to bust.  Watson is proven---and if he pans out, which I think he would, you can make moves in rounds 2-7 to add a player or 2.  I am not a fan of trading #1s, but this is an opportunity you rarely get---no rebuild--we would enter WIN NOW mode and still have youth.  I am changing my mind. 

 

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    • I feel like this trade just lives rent free in people's heads and keeps morphing into different things. First thing is that the rumored trade was for future firsts. They wouldn't have any extra picks in 2023; the firsts would have been for 2024 and 2025. With very few exceptions, NFL GMs don't value picks that far away. You have to have a lot of job security to pull that off. Like Chiefs, Eagles, Rams kinda stability. That's obviously not the case with David Tepper, especially since he'd just fired his head coach. No GM except for like Howie Roseman is going to trade an asset you have now for a future asset you probably get to use.  Second, at the time you'd have to assume these are first rounders late in the first round. Obviously currency is currency and the panthers need young players, but these weren't slam dunk top ten picks. At the end of the day there's one pick that separates a first and second round pick.  Lastly, the only place that ever reported this trade was the Rams. All the reporters just repeated what McVay said and it became gospel. We have no idea how serious the negotiations were, if they ever really happened, if the offer was real, etc. And I personally believe McVay and Sneed are the kind of guys who would make up rumors like that to fug up other teams, mostly because I assume if I've thought of it someone smarter than me has.  I don't know how you'd call it the greatest draft haul of all time. Firsts quickly lose their value the farther out they are and Burns had 16.5 sacks last season. And anyway those picks would probably just been tossed into the burning inferno of the Bryce trade up so it's a moot point anyway. 
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