Panthers will "pay any price" for Watson (via Sportsnaut via PFN)

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

On his terms though, not theirs.

We don't know how he always arrived at "his terms".  

You think the "Patriot way" involved Bill having highly paid leaders of the franchise sitting out and trashing him? 

[cookinbrak]

This sounds like Houston trying to drive the price ( that nobody is willing to pay) up.

[top dawg]

And there's this, for good measure!

 

[BrisbanePanther]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I definitely believe McNair's ego is heavily involved here.

Caserio's might be too. He likely doesn't want his reputation to hinge on him being the guy that traded away Deshaun Watson.

That's actually part of why I think he won't be traded.

Caserio should just make the phone call up the road to Raphael Stone, the fresh new GM of the Rockets--aka the guy who traded James Harden. At least Caserio didn't get the "who"? response when he got his job, unlike Stone. He already has a rep as a Patriots person. Already ahead of Stone.

He should ask Stone how the Rockets' owner's ego probably had a role in them getting less for Harden than they initially said. Texans said, "3 1sts to start" for Watson. Rockets said "4+ FRPs, plus player + plus a young all-star to build around". Not quite what they got at all. And Harden went where he wanted in the first place and the narrative on him quickly changed. Watson is gone--they're just delaying the inevitable.

Is this the NBA-ization of the NFL? Yep. Some seem to think that Cal will hold out because the owners need him to in order to stop this. 1. He can't stop this, and 2. he owes the owners nothing. Cal will remember that his late father had to overoffer the expansion fee for the Texans in the first place, since the league was so determined to give LA a team and basically ignored the Houston bid. The elder McNair had to blow the offering process up by paying $700m--hundreds of millions more than LA had--for the team...in the 1990s.

If the owners want Cal to do their bidding, he may as well extract a Super Bowl for Houston every other year over the next 20.

 

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, CRA said:

We don't know how he always arrived at "his terms".  

You think the "Patriot way" involved Bill having highly paid leaders of the franchise sitting out and trashing him? 

They were winning. Nobody had nay leverage.

The Texans have no such leverage, but that doesn't necessarily stop them from acting like they do.

[panthers55]

Great negotiating strategy to get a deal. We will pay anything. Name your price.  

Crazy if you aren't priceline.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, BrisbanePanther said:

Caserio should just make the phone call up the road to Raphael Stone, the fresh new GM of the Rockets--aka the guy who traded James Harden. At least Caserio didn't get the "who"? response when he got his job, unlike Stone. He already has a rep as a Patriots person. Already ahead of Stone.

He should ask Stone how the Rockets' owner's ego probably had a role in them getting less for Harden than they initially said. Texans said, "3 1sts to start" for Watson. Rockets said "4+ FRPs, plus player + plus a young all-star to build around". Not quite what they got at all. And Harden went where he wanted in the first place and the narrative on him quickly changed. Watson is gone--they're just delaying the inevitable.

Is this the NBA-ization of the NFL? Yep. Some seem to think that Cal will hold out because the owners need him to in order to stop this. 1. He can't stop this, and 2. he owes the owners nothing. Cal will remember that his late father had to overoffer the expansion fee for the Texans in the first place, since the league was so determined to give LA a team and basically ignored the Houston bid. The elder McNair had to blow the offering process up by paying $700m--hundreds of millions more than LA had--for the team...in the 1990s.

If the owners want Cal to do their bidding, he may as well extract a Super Bowl for Houston every other year over the next 20.

"What the Texans should do" and "What the Texans will do" are two separate lists that probably don't have much of anything in the way of common items between them.

Edited February 25, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

They were winning. Nobody had nay leverage.

The Texans have no such leverage, but that doesn't necessarily stop them from acting like they do.

not a lot of info gets out of NE.  But we know it isn't exactly a happy place. 

and a lot of bodies have left NE.  Big names.  Probably no team has parted with more big names to watch them play elsewhere.  I seriously doubt that was always a one way street dictated only by Bill. 

[joemac]

27 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

On his terms though, not theirs.

Yeah, but Caserio is not Belichick.  I think we've learned over the years that simply working with BB, and being around BB cannot turn a guy into BB.  There is no gaining of knowledge or insight or instinct via osmosis.  How many Pats coaches and front office guys have gone on to great success in the NFL?  How many have been hired and failed?

[rayzor]

[CRA]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Great negotiating strategy to get a deal. We will pay anything. Name your price.  

Crazy if you aren't priceline.

Hell, it probably was Houston.  In hopes Tepper would come out and squash it.  Try to take some hope away from Watson.   See, Deshaun, everyone isn't going to bend over backwards to try to get you. 

who knows, as rich as Tepper is....I don't put that narrative out there. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

not a lot of info gets out of NE.  But we know it isn't exactly a happy place. 

and a lot of bodies have left NE.  Big names.  Probably not team has parted with more big names to watch them play elsewhere.  I seriously doubt that was always a one way street dictated only by Bill. 

I think there's probably a fair amount of crossover between "The Patriot Way" and "Stockholm Syndrome".

Looks like it might start falling apart with Brady gone though.

Edited February 25, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, joemac said:

Yeah, but Caserio is not Belichick.  I think we've learned over the years that simply working with BB, and being around BB cannot turn a guy into BB.  There is no gaining of knowledge or insight or instinct via osmosis.  How many Pats coaches and front office guys have gone on to great success in the NFL?  How many have been hired and failed?

You still have to account for McNair though.

For all we know, Caserio might have a perfectly reasonable take on things. But if McNair doesn't, here we stay.

[BurnNChinn]

25 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

This sounds like Houston trying to drive the price ( that nobody is willing to pay) up.

Oh no Tepper is ready for any deal to get his QB