Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Houston police opening investigation on Deshaun Watson


TheSpecialJuan
 Share

Recommended Posts

1 hour ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:
1 hour ago, SizzleBuzz said:

He probably paid them off.  

Probably as much as the Texans paid off those women claiming wrongdoing just to get back at Watson for wanting to leave Houston. 

Exactly. 

The odds of either of those scenarios having actually taken place is zero percent. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Moo Daeng said:

That's as relevant as finding a list of people who haven't been murdered. It means zero to those who are victims.

If it didn't have any relevancy as you suggest, then I doubt his lawyer would be mentioning it. One thing for sure that does matter is the character of Watson and the character of the accuser to determine who the victim really is.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

If it didn't have any relevancy as you suggest, then I doubt his lawyer would be mentioning it. One thing for sure that does matter is the character of Watson and the character of the accuser to determine who the victim really is.

Come one, use your brain. That goes literally nothing to refute any claims. It's PR

Edited by Moo Daeng
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

There is a term: Think like a lawyer! I'm thinking that you've never heard of it, but, that's OK, most haven't!

This isn't a case of "thinking like a lawyer" because per Florio (who was a lawyer) statements like this are inadmissible in court.

Plus common sense would tell you that even a hundred people saying "well, he didn't rape / murder / attack me" doesn't qualify as evidence that a defendant didn't do it to one.

This is purely for PR, but it also kind of backfired.

Florio pointed out that Watson being able to so easily produce the names of 18 masseuses who haven't accused him of anything undermines his claim that he has no idea who the others are. That besides raising the question "why does he need so many different masseuses".

Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 hours ago, t96 said:

I think 1 claimed he forced a BJ, but the others were more along the lines of indecent exposure/harassment rather than assault/rape. Either way not good if true...

Actually at least three women have claimed that, and it might now be four.

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

The police are investigating this due to public pressure.  

Not really. Per the HPD statement, this is in response to an accuser filing a complaint with them.

What I haven't seen yet is whether the complaint is from one of the ones already working with Buzbee, the one working with a different lawyer, or somebody entirely new (that'd bring the number of accusers to 26 if that's the case).

Buzbee did say there are going to be more complaints filed, some with HPD and some with other agencies. The official lawsuits filed count is now 22.

Edited by Mr. Scot
Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This isn't a case of "thinking like a lawyer" because per Florio (who was a lawyer) statements like this are inadmissible in court.

Plus common sense would tell you that even a hundred people saying "well, he didn't rape / murder / attack me" doesn't qualify as evidence that a defendant didn't do it to one.

This is purely for PR, but it also kind of backfired.

Florio pointed out that Watson being able to so easily produce the names of 18 masseuses who haven't accused him of anything undermines his claim that he has no idea who the others are. That besides raising the question "why does he need so many different masseuses".

Public opinion does indeed have an effect upon court cases, regardless of what a lawyer intimates (though it doesn't have any official legal capacity). I don't know what you're listening to, but Florio was adamant that Watson was/is losing in the court of public opinion. He was screaming for Watson's party to say something as Watson was getting already getting killed in public opinion. Now they have, and I think it's a little disingenuous to say that it's backfired. 

I don't know when Watson or Hardin said that Watson has "no idea who the others are". Obviously they have some idea as to who some of them are, but they're really still precluded from taking any steps to contact them in any official (or practical) capacity in order to defend Watson at this point from a legal perspective. But, if this thing ever actually goes to trial, that's when these  anonymous women, for legal purposes, will become known to the defense, and the defense will legally be able to cross-examine them. 

The "why so many masseuses" thing is not a legal theory.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, ncstatekwi said:

Have any of y’all looked up masseuse on IG?!?!? Holy smokes.... 🧐

No, but I can imagine. I never knew that there were so many masseuses (wink wink) in the world! IG seems like an interesting platform to be advertising your massage services, but what do I know?! 🤔

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, top dawg said:

If it didn't have any relevancy as you suggest, then I doubt his lawyer would be mentioning it. One thing for sure that does matter is the character of Watson and the character of the accuser to determine who the victim really is.

What it does is that it counters the sexual predator narrative. It also puts Buzbee on notice that in every one of those court cases there will be at least eighteen women in the same industry as the accuser testifying for Watson.

Now if to anyone who believes that the number of women accusing Watson of inappropriate behavior is important, then the number of women who have been in similar or identical intimate environments, who are vouching for his character and behavior, should hold the same weight.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

Public opinion does indeed have an effect upon court cases, regardless of what a lawyer intimates (though it doesn't have any official legal capacity). I don't know what you're listening to, but Florio was adamant that Watson was/is losing in the court of public opinion. He was screaming for Watson's party to say something as Watson was getting already getting killed in public opinion. Now they have, and I think it's a little disingenuous to say that it's backfired. 

I don't know when Watson or Hardin said that Watson has "no idea who the others are". Obviously they have some idea as to who some of them are, but they're really still precluded from taking any steps to contact them in any official (or practical) capacity in order to defend Watson at this point from a legal perspective. But, if this thing ever actually goes to trial, that's when these  anonymous women, for legal purposes, will become known to the defense, and the defense will legally be able to cross-examine them. 

The "why so many masseuses" thing is not a legal theory.

It was Florio who pointed out that it backfired.

Hardin has been saying from the beginning that Watson had no idea who was accusing him. It was already pretty obvious that was bullsh-t. This makes it more so.

Admitting that Watson had a sexual encounter with one of his masseuses probably didn't help either, even with the proviso that it was consensual.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • It all sounds great. The only unknowns are injuries and how they will need to be addressed. Horn has a history as does the newly added Jaelen Phillips and Cooker has yet to play an entire season as well. And then there are the Ikey's - totally unexpecteded injuries that put a major wrench in your plans. I do think its a great plan though.
    • If we pay Bryce like a franchise QB we're completely and utterly buttfuged.
    • In my view, the realistic expectation for this team to compete will start 2027.  At that time, I think we could be looking at the following (this is HIGHLY speculative):   QB:  You know, Bryce.  I am not a fan, but they don't ask me.  But there is reason for hope--and here it is.  Bryce will be entering his prime.  Since we are likely to pay him, there will be changes that I include throughout this exercise--I realistically speculate on what they are going to do with Bryce and then I realistically speculate on what means in terms of the cap and other positions. Bryce HAS IMPROVED.  The idea is that if you give him more weapons and protection, that will continue.  His career:   At this rate, if his growth continues, by 2027 we should expect nearly 30 TDs and about 12 Interceptions and a Rating of about 98.  His completion percentage should settle at 65-66% or so.  If that happens, you can win with it. The following stats demonstrate how the Panthers will be able to afford it (and re-sign Ickey) My guess is they will require about $60m per year. This is why rookies who can play are important.  It also helps us see the blueprint.  You may disagree, but this is the cruel realities of the salary cap. Robert Hunt:  Cut post June 1 and save $19m.  Who do you replace him with?  Ickey. Tershawn Wharton:  Cutting him saves nearly $15m.  We should all hope to see Aaron Hall (UDFA) make the roster and play well.  Regardless, this is a position we would likely have to address in the next draft. Trevin Moehrig:  Cutting Moehrig as the starting SS saves this team $16.5m.   Ransom will be on year 3 of a cheap rookie deal and should be more than ready to take the reins.  their styles are similar.  Furthermore, FS Wheatley (R, 4th round) will be starting. Taylor Moton:  So much depends on his knee, but I have an idea that he can play another 3 years.  extending him could save the team about $5m per year.  Cutting him outright would save the team about $21m. In the most drastic situation, we have to cut Moton and the other three players mentioned.   We would need (in all likelihood) a starting DT and RT.  It is possible that the DE would be addressed, but Wharton's production (so far) could be equaled by a rookie.  Look for a cut free agent and a 2027 draft pick here.  If you cut Moton, you save $21m, and that would be the only big hole to fill.  Having Ickey at RG gives you some depth at T, and Ickey could be the guy.  T could be pick in the 2027 draft (first round), fwiw.  It saves you $21m while costing you $5m, for example. We get younger, creating a core of Freeling, Hecht, and the RT first rounder in 2027) along with Ekownu (second contract in the $15m range, and Lewis, whose contract would be in the $16m range if not extended.)  The OL cuts (Hunt, Moton) would save $40m.  The OL would get younger and still solid with veterans at G.   By cutting Wharton (no brainer if his play stays the same) and Moehrig (good player--but we have Ransom on a rookie contract who would not be that much of a drop off--if any) in addition to Hunt and Moton, we would save over $70m in cap room. We would be able to give Bryce bag  and we would have enough to re-sign Ickey (if the knee is not too risky) to a Guard contract (probably at a discount, coming off that injury).  Furthermore, we could add a RT in the draft (or a RG if Ickey moves to RT) and that would be the only large hole to fill. Correct my logic if you see issues-- On defense, in addition to the aforementioned, Scott ($2m contract) is out, replaced by a 4th round rookie contract. CB Jackson's contract ($7.8m) expires and he is (possibly) replaced by a rookie contract.  At Edge, patrick Jones II's $10m contract expires and he is likely a reserve, and his role is absorbed by Phillips, Scourton, Princely, and possible an UDFA like Isaiah Smith or a 2027 draft pick.   These productive developmental players over the past 2 drafts will pay huge dividends.  On paper, I see the team getting much younger and possibly better while cutting nearly $100m and reallocating that money to get more production.          
×
×
  • Create New...