IF we hadn’t beaten Washington

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Why Wilson?  Everyone knew Jets were going QB at 2.  Trading with Miami would have been for QB3.

There was little chance of us taking a QB that we really liked at #8, I would agree with that.  Not only did we make it look like we might, we also tried to sell the idea that other teams were looking to trade up with us.  I think were trying to get Sewell to fall to us to be honest, but that is just a guess.

Not at the time they were talking trade.

The conviction that the Jets were absolutely going to take Wilson didn't really take hold until his pro day. That's why they weren't willing to move forward on trading Darnold until after that.

The Gantt article about the Panthers war room pretty much confirms that their top two choices were Sewell and Horn.

[AU-panther]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think we would've taken the Niners' offer just like the Dolphins did.

too bad the Niner's felt like they had to get to 3.

I think Lance was probably rated higher among teams than fans and/or the media, and for whatever reason Fields was rated lower among teams than fans and/or media.

 

 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

"We" is whoever made the decision.

 

The GM doesn’t speak for what everyone else thought. 

so when you say we thought Sam was better than Fields simply because we drafted him...that doesn’t actually mean everyone thought that.   We just don’t who exactly the pro Fields people were.  Got to think they were on the offensive staff/side though.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, AU-panther said:

too bad the Niner's felt like they had to get to 3.

I think Lance was probably rated higher among teams than fans and/or the media, and for whatever reason Fields was rated lower among teams than fans and/or media.

 

 

If the rumor is true that they traded up for Jones and then let all the public mocking of that convince them to take Lance... holy fug. LOL!

[ForJimmy]

If we didn’t beat anyone we could have drafted Trevor Lawrence...

[AU-panther]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Not at the time they were talking trade.

The conviction that the Jets were absolutely going to take Wilson didn't really take hold until his pro day. That's why they weren't willing to move forward on trading Darnold until after that.

The Gantt article about the Panthers war room pretty much confirms that their top two choices were Sewell and Horn.

Maybe.  I'm not convinced of that.  Even if the Jets were not sure, other teams had to operate on the premise they would.  

You wouldn't trade to 3 hoping that the Jets would pass on Wilson.  What if the Dolphins would have had a decent asking price, would we have just said "just kidding"?

Their top two realistic choices were Sewell and Horn, there is a difference.  If Trevor would have fell do you honestly think they would have passed?  

 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

If we didn’t beat anyone we could have drafted Trevor Lawrence...

Possibly 

Edited May 7, 2021 by PantherOnTheProwl1523

[AU-panther]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

The GM doesn’t speak for what everyone else thought. 

so when you say we thought Sam was better than Fields simply because we drafted him...that doesn’t actually mean everyone thought that.   We just don’t who exactly the pro Fields people were.  Got to think they were on the offensive staff/side though.

 

How about this?  Whoever had the final call liked Sam more than Fields.  I'm not saying it was the right or wrong decision, but the fact we didn't draft Fields tells us whoever made the final decision wanted to go with Sam.

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

Depends on how you define “we”.  

we know from reporting that some wanted Fields over Horn.   And that was Fields was debated until the end.   Which means it likely wasn’t just Tepper given he voiced he was going to stay out of it and let his staff do whatever. 
 

We actually know just the opposite from both Person and Gantt.

Person was asked this in his Q&A:

Do you think the Fields talk was to bait other teams to trade up? Same with holding off on Darnold's option until after the draft?

His answer:

Yes and yes. Though Tepper's affinity for Fields was real.

if that's not enough, throw in this from Gantt's article detailing what took place in the war room...

Then the Bengals took LSU wide receiver Ja'Marr Chase in the fifth spot, followed by the Dolphins taking Alabama wide receiver Jaylen Waddle with the sixth pick, and there was a chorus of "yes," from the draft room.

With only one team between them and their turn, the Panthers were this close to having their choice of either Penei Sewell (the top left tackle on their board, at a position they could use) or Jaycee Horn (the top cornerback on their board, at a position they could use). Quarterback Justin Fields being available provided bait if someone wanted to make a move.

So no, it wasn't "debated until the end". By the time the pick was up, that debate was long over.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[Basbear]

[AU-panther]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If the rumor is true that they traded up for Jones and then let all the public mocking of that convince them to take Lance... holy fug. LOL!

I've heard since that they liked Lance all along, the media created the Jones angle.  Also I think other teams had a pretty good idea also.  

 

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We actually know just the opposite from both Person and Gantt.

Person was asked this in his Q&A:

Do you think the Fields talk was to bait other teams to trade up? Same with holding off on Darnold's option until after the draft?

His answer:

Yes and yes. Though Tepper's affinity for Fields was real.

if that's not enough, throw in this from Gantt's article detailing what took place in the war room...

Then the Bengals took LSU wide receiver Ja'Marr Chase in the fifth spot, followed by the Dolphins taking Alabama wide receiver Jaylen Waddle with the sixth pick, and there was a chorus of "yes," from the draft room.

With only one team between them and their turn, the Panthers were this close to having their choice of either Penei Sewell (the top left tackle on their board, at a position they could use) or Jaycee Horn (the top cornerback on their board, at a position they could use). Quarterback Justin Fields being available provided bait if someone wanted to make a move.

By the time the pick was up, that debate was long over.

Plenty of reports that the Fields talk/debate was real.  And yes, Fields being there did make our position more attractive to others if they wanted to our spot.  

Verge said the talk was real on Fields. So have local guys like Ellis and a lot of traditional NFL insiders (like MoveTheSticks and others) 

I lean there way over the picture a Panther employee is painting after the draft.  

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If the rumor is true that they traded up for Jones and then let all the public mocking of that convince them to take Lance... holy fug. LOL!

It's not.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, CRA said:

Plenty of reports that the Fields talk/debate was real.  And yes, Fields being there did make our position more attractive to others if they wanted to our spot.  

Verge said the talk was real on Fields. So have local guys like Ellis and a lot of traditional NFL insiders (like MoveTheSticks and others) 

Actually, in the last weeks before the draft, Verge repeatedly said we wouldn't take a quarterback.

Likewise, Jeremy Fowler reported that despite the Panthers putting out their willingness to take a quarterback, most of the other teams in the league weren't buying it.

It was a smokescreen, and one that apparently worked more effectively on fans and some analysts than it did on other teams.