The evolution to being a perennial winner.

[Peppers90 NC]

On 5/15/2021 at 9:45 PM, hepcat said:

Good post. I still can’t shake the fact that Darnold is going to be a colossal failure and this team barely wins 5 games again though. 

Something hasn't happened yet or doesnt exist, can't possibly be a fact.

[CRA]

On 5/15/2021 at 12:33 PM, SmokinwithWilly said:

It's less scary than being led into the future by Hurney or Nipplrshorts. 

Hurney and Nippleshorts were both praised as great at one time too though in Carolina….

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, IceUpSon2001 said:

He was adequate, not great. We had high first round picks on a lot of his homeruns. That was because we were not good and picking high.  Go back and look at some of his drafts and we missed a lot too. 

I wouldn't even call him adequate.

Three winning seasons out of fifteen doesn't qualify as adequate.

[thefuzz]

38 minutes ago, IceUpSon2001 said:

He was adequate, not great. We had high first round picks on a lot of his homeruns. That was because we were not good and picking high.  Go back and look at some of his drafts and we missed a lot too. 

He was flatly awful at being an NFL GM.

This cannot be argued.

[IceUpSon2001]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't even call him adequate.

Three winning seasons out of fifteen doesn't qualify as adequate.

I'm not defending him, I wasn't a fan of his. He was not as bad as some of the other teams in the league. Maybe adequate was too high for him. Subpar?  

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, IceUpSon2001 said:

I'm not defending him, I wasn't a fan of his. He was not as bad as some of the other teams in the league. Maybe adequate was too high for him. Subpar?  

I'd honestly just go with "bad".

[frankw]

I'll have to see one winning season before I think about multiple in a row. This level of optimism wasn't quite as high last year but it was still there. You have to have hope but don't set yourself up for heartbreak. There should be little doubt about the defense making strides but this all hinges on the offensive line not being a disaster and limiting turnovers and correcting redzone inefficiency. Good thing we aren't banking on a draft bust having a career year with only two failed qb's waiting behind him. More than that our offensive coordinator must do better to put the starting quarterback in the best position in different game situations. Lost in the hype is he didn't always do favors for the last starter with some of the untimely calls and running down the play clock. Hopefully this will be addressed and corrected if not the same issues will rear their head especially with a new quarterback acclimating to a different offense.

[IceUpSon2001]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd honestly just go with "bad".

Hurney and John Fox were not on the same page apparently. I think coach and GM need to be on the same page

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, IceUpSon2001 said:

Hurney and John Fox were not on the same page apparently. I think coach and GM need to be on the same page

They were generally on the same page up until 2010.

Hurney and Rivera tended to stay on the same page too. Unfortunately, neither of them really knew what they were doing.

[IceUpSon2001]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney and Rivera tended to stay on the same page too. Unfortunately, neither of them really knew what they were doing.

I was excited when Ron was hired. He had been passed over a couple of times before I believe. Just kind of went stale and part of that was Hurney not getting talent on a consistent basis. 2015 was special and I hope we get back there again. If Clete Blakeman is the ref, we will be screwed.

I believe John Fox stayed 3 years too long. His stubbornness was frustrating. 

[PanthersATL]

44 minutes ago, IceUpSon2001 said:

I think coach and GM need to be on the same page

I'm okay if they're not on the same page, exactly. But at least Fetterer and Rhule appeared to be in the same book -- which is definitely an improvement over previous years.

[Shotgun]

1 hour ago, IceUpSon2001 said:

I'm not defending him, I wasn't a fan of his. He was not as bad as some of the other teams in the league. Maybe adequate was too high for him. Subpar?  

How many GMs out there have only produced 3 winning seasons in 13 years of employment?

[CRA]

1 hour ago, IceUpSon2001 said:

Hurney and John Fox were not on the same page apparently. I think coach and GM need to be on the same page

Not as time went on.  But early on....

and Hurney was praised early on.  The 2003 Super Bowl team IMO was the best team we have put together and Hurney got the correct praise he deserved at the time.   A perfect combo of adding the right draft picks and FAs. 

[IceUpSon2001]

35 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

How many GMs out there have only produced 3 winning seasons in 13 years of employment?

Not sure, that may be the new stat that ESPN talks about NFL live in the summer months. I know Matt Millen stunk, not 13 years.