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Sam Darnold's "Style of Ball"

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Assuming that he can't improve in a new situation with better coaching and support is kind of short-sighted too though.

You don't know that.

I'm not assuming that he can't. I'm just not assuming that he necessarily will. And let's be honest, we're not talking about a slight or even moderate improvement leading to him being a good QB. We're talking about him needing to make a giant leap. It's just unlikely. I hope it happens, but I fully expect us to be discussing 2022 1st round QB prospects pretty early into next season

 

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not assuming that he can't. I'm just not assuming that he necessarily will. And let's be honest, we're not talking about a slight or even moderate improvement leading to him being a good QB. We're talking about him needing to make a giant leap. It's just unlikely. I hope it happens, but I fully expect us to be discussing 2022 1st round QB prospects pretty early into next season

If we're having any discussion like that early in the season, we're probably being premature.

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11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That's really the big issue, whether he can fit within this system. Teddy actually ran Brady's offense very well. If we could have sprinkled a little Darnold/Jake backyard play into him, we probably aren't having any discussion of who our QB is. 

 

Yeah. I bring up Mahomes cause he was one of the ones to be able to do it effectively. He is without a doubt a backyard football player but he can play within the system and be very effective. That’s what Sam’s ceiling should be. Not saying the amount of tds or yards or whatever. Just putting that all together. That’s kind of the model I’m looking for with Sam. The dude can make throws that only like 5 qbs in the league can make. It’s insane. We just desperately need him to put it all together.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

We're Panthers fans. Talking draft before Halloween has kinda been a way of life for a good chunk of our history.

Unfortunately, so is making a pronouncement about how good or bad a player is going to be based on their first play in preseason.

It's stupid, but people continue to do it. And I'm sure this year will be no exception.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Unfortunately, so is making a pronouncement about how good or bad a player is going to be based on their first play in preseason.

It's stupid, but people continue to do it. And I'm sure this year will be no exception.

You always think statements are definitive. I'm simply talking about what is most likely. Not everything is black and white, as desperately as you try to project that on others while always trying to take up residence in the gray yourself.

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29 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I will be interested to see if he ends up being the polar opposite of Teddy. Teddy consistently took the easy and open receiver, regardless of the scenario. I am curious to see if Darnold passes on easy options and tries to bomb it, regardless of how ill advised that decision may be.

As good as our WR corps appears to be, they aren't going to consistently win jump balls. 

Key word in your statement is consistently win jump balls....no QB should put his WR in that position, but should have a WR that CAN do it if need be.  All I can give you as an example is a JuJu or Pittman type of guy.

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It's easier to say Sam will fail. Why? Because he didn't succeed with the Jets.

Had he succeeded, we wouldn't even have this opportunity to see what he can do for us, which IS a different situation. 

He was highly successful in College, but that doesn't support the negative narrative that is the easy embrace. 

So if your not comfortable thinking the he will grow, then don't.  While it's lazy thinking, I get it. 

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6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You always think statements are definitive. I'm simply talking about what is most likely. Not everything is black and white, as desperately as you try to project that on others while always trying to take up residence in the gray yourself.

Did I say you were the one doing that?

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5 minutes ago, 1usctrojan said:

Key word in your statement is consistently win jump balls....no QB should put his WR in that position, but should have a WR that CAN do it if need be.  All I can give you as an example is a JuJu or Pittman type of guy.

Consistently? No. But sometimes you have to.

Being unwilling to take that kind of chance is what makes you a Teddy Bridgewater.

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7 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

It's easier to say Sam will fail. Why? Because he didn't succeed with the Jets.

Had he succeeded, we wouldn't even have this opportunity to see what he can do for us, which IS a different situation. 

He was highly successful in College, but that doesn't support the negative narrative that is the easy embrace. 

So if your not comfortable thinking the he will grow, then don't.  While it's lazy thinking, I get it. 

The past is generally the best predictor of the future. Most busts don't bounce back elsewhere. Most subpar players continue to be subpar. Teddy improved last year. He just didn't improve enough. We're probably going to experience a repeat of that this season. Hopefully Darnold will prove to be an exception to those norms but norms are norms for a reason. You don't get moral superiority as a fan for pie in the sky thinking.

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4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The past is generally the best predictor of the future. Most busts don't bounce back elsewhere. Most subpar players continue to be subpar. Teddy improved last year. He just didn't improve enough. We're probably going to experience a repeat of that this season. Hopefully Darnold will prove to be an exception to those norms but norms are norms for a reason. You don't get moral superiority as a fan for pie in the sky thinking.

I believe judging Sam to be a bust at this point is pre mature. 

You obviously feel differently with little as support outside of his time with the Jets. 

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Matt Rhule recaps Tuesday's OTA practice, player development
 
"He's so young in what we ask him to do," Panthers head coach Matt Rhule said Tuesday. "But he's so young and has a great work ethic. He might have experience, but you don't have experience in what we do. Every bit of experience Sam has, he can draw from it, but he's done a great job with us saying 'Hey what's the cadence, how do you want me to drop,' and those things. That's good. That allows us to develop him really from the ground up.
 
"He's a great guy great arm talent. Very likable, and he works hard. He wants to be good. He doesn't want to not have a good rep. Everything we heard about him is what we're seeing."
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