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Film Study: Derrick Brown.


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7 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Yeah Star had like a sub 4 RAS score which is pretty fuging terrible but he is/was an absolute beast for his position. RAS isn’t the end all be all but i think it’s important for certain positions.

RAS also has a "size" portion of it, which can skew it against players that aren't in the "ideal" category. 

It definitely can highlight guys that are elite athletes. If you look at the Panthers historic RAS scores, a large portion of our elite players are in that Elite to Above Average category. 

Brown will never be a guy like Donald or Cox or Jenkins. But he can blow people off the line, create for our other pass rushers and generally disrupt plays. That is where his value is.

He just needs to become a more sure tackler and work on his array of pass rush moves. If he can smooth out the rough edges, he can be an 8-10 year starter for us.

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3 hours ago, pantherj said:

Brown is nowhere near, I mean not close at all, to Kris Jenkins when it comes to rushing the passer. Even if you look this youtube video, at 2:43, the nerdy sounding guy is gushing about Brown doing a great bull rush. It wasn't. Brown did his old college trick of illegally shoving the guards head back to the point of almost snapping his neck or taking off his helmet.

I'm all for seeing Brown playing well and being a great run stuffer for us, but for heavens sake don't compare him to Kris Jenkins, the pass rushing monster.

People forget how good vintage Kris Jenkins was. Had he not struggled with injuries and consistency, he would have been considered an elite player at that position.

Also, playing next to a freak like Peppers didn't exactly do wonders for his spotlight either.

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12 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Yeah Star had like a sub 4 RAS score which is pretty fuging terrible but he is/was an absolute beast for his position. RAS isn’t the end all be all but i think it’s important for certain positions.

I bet Josh Norman's RAS was absolutely abysmal. Pretty much the only boxes he would've checked are height/weight. 

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7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

People forget how good vintage Kris Jenkins was. Had he not struggled with injuries and consistency, he would have been considered an elite player at that position.

Also, playing next to a freak like Peppers didn't exactly do wonders for his spotlight either.

In his prime he was considered one of if not the best DT in the league. His prime was just short lived. 

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

In his prime he was considered one of if not the best DT in the league. His prime was just short lived. 

That line was so fuging good. We have a promising group of players on our DL here now but I am not sure we will ever eclipse how good that group was.

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8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

RAS also has a "size" portion of it, which can skew it against players that aren't in the "ideal" category. 

It definitely can highlight guys that are elite athletes. If you look at the Panthers historic RAS scores, a large portion of our elite players are in that Elite to Above Average category. 

Brown will never be a guy like Donald or Cox or Jenkins. But he can blow people off the line, create for our other pass rushers and generally disrupt plays. That is where his value is.

He just needs to become a more sure tackler and work on his array of pass rush moves. If he can smooth out the rough edges, he can be an 8-10 year starter for us.

Yeah some of the best players on our team right now have 8+ RAS scores with some at 9.99 like Chinn and Burns. Cmc had a 8+ score. I think he just got dinged because of his size like you said. But everything else was elite. 
 

Cam had a 10.00. Lol probably the most elite athlete to ever play the qb position 
 

Chinn and Burns are absolute freaks. I like what the staff is doing by combining RAS scores with tape. Like The Golden Calf of Bristol had a 9+ but he’s obviously terrible. So you have to match the athleticism with what they do on the field.

I like Derrick a lot but I think his ceiling is just very good. Which is totally fine. Don’t see him ever getting into the Donald, Suh category. 

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8 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Yeah some of the best players on our team right now have 8+ RAS scores with some at 9.99 like Chinn and Burns. Cmc had a 8+ score. I think he just got dinged because of his size like you said. But everything else was elite. 
 

Cam had a 10.00. Lol probably the most elite athlete to ever play the qb position 
 

Chinn and Burns are absolute freaks. I like what the staff is doing by combining RAS scores with tape. Like The Golden Calf of Bristol had a 9+ but he’s obviously terrible. So you have to match the athleticism with what they do on the field.

I like Derrick a lot but I think his ceiling is just very good. Which is totally fine. Don’t see him ever getting into the Donald, Suh category. 

No, those guys were freaks. Brown isn't likely to be that guy. But, that doesn't matter. He makes everyone around him better and that is important, if underappreciated. 

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42 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

No, those guys were freaks. Brown isn't likely to be that guy. But, that doesn't matter. He makes everyone around him better and that is important, if underappreciated. 

Yeah I see him similar to Star. And we all know what happened when Star left for Buffalo.

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1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

Yeah I see him similar to Star. And we all know what happened when Star left for Buffalo.

I think his ceiling is even higher than Star because he is a more legit threat to rush the passer.

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In 2019 we were terrible up the middle getting gashed for big runs straight up the middle. In 2020 we end up more solid against the run. Biggest difference- Brown. It sure wasn't Whitehead.

How many passing downs did we rush 3 meaning Brown was doubled if not triple teamed. Even when we lined him up in the A gap he was mostly doubled. He played well outside of the penalties which you live with if you start a rookie. With better interior help and better pass rushers we have the talent to be aggressive and allow Brown to get more 1 on 1 matchups where is he tough to block. Snow just has to let the cats hunt this year and be aggressive and give up the prevent defense of last year.

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8 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

In 2019 we were terrible up the middle getting gashed for big runs straight up the middle. In 2020 we end up more solid against the run. Biggest difference- Brown. It sure wasn't Whitehead.

How many passing downs did we rush 3 meaning Brown was doubled if not triple teamed. Even when we lined him up in the A gap he was mostly doubled. He played well outside of the penalties which you live with if you start a rookie. With better interior help and better pass rushers we have the talent to be aggressive and allow Brown to get more 1 on 1 matchups where is he tough to block. Snow just has to let the cats hunt this year and be aggressive and give up the prevent defense of last year.

I think we will see them be more aggressive with a far more athletic secondary and a hopefully improved LB corps.

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44 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think his ceiling is even higher than Star because he is a more legit threat to rush the passer.

Yeah the hope was Star would become a threat as a pass rusher because he had some moves and showed off some ability in college. That never happened. I’m hopeful brown will become that threat but I feel like they were similar in college in that respect. 

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