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Sam Darnold comes in at No. 19 in Chris Simms' Quarterback rankings

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6 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

So, Winston>Hill but Peyton chose Hill cause they pay him more?

Using that logic since Winston just signed a 1 year 12mill, and Hill has a 140 million over 4years...you think Winston is going to be the backup? 

 

I'm merely talking about last season.  Payton paid Hill 140 million and was really criticized for paying him that much.   He was starting over Winston last year.  No question about that IMO.   

That massive contract isn't fresh in the discourse now. 

I could see him being able to pull off a "wanting all his best players" on the field narrative.  Starting Winston and featuring Hill in the O.  And then if things get bad just put Hill back again. 

I put both QBs in the same tier.  Completely different players.  There pros and cons are very different but not sure I would say one is really better than the other.  Probably your pass O has the highest ceiling with Winston playing QB and Hill in the slot. 

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16 minutes ago, CRA said:

I'm merely talking about last season.  Payton paid Hill 140 million and was really criticized for paying him that much.   He was starting over Winston last year.  No question about that IMO.   

That massive contract isn't fresh in the discourse now. 

I could see him being able to pull off a "wanting all his best players" on the field narrative.  Starting Winston and featuring Hill in the O.  And then if things get bad just put Hill back again. 

I put both QBs in the same tier.  Completely different players.  There pros and cons are very different but not sure I would say one is really better than the other.  Probably your pass O has the highest ceiling with Winston playing QB and Hill in the slot. 

So money mattered then, but not now, because its not fresh.  Ok.  smh 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

So money mattered then, but not now, because its not fresh.  Ok.  smh 

 

I mean the money 100% mattered last year.  Winston wasn't jumping him.   And it still matters.  But it isn't the same.  He didn't literally just pay Hill 140m.   You would have different arguments you can make now vs then as well.   I still think he starts Hill because of ego and money.  But I think he could attempt the argument I presented earlier. 

and I don't care about either.  I as I said, I lump them in the same tier.    

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There appears to be a lot of love in the Huddle for the last years backup- backup-quarterback on the Saints.   You guys should reach out to him, he could use the love right now.

I don't disagree with Winston's talent, but he has some of the worst decision making I've ever seen.  35 turnovers in one year was like 7th worst in NFL history. He has a history of tantrums and fights.  

In the end, the Bucs couldn't get anything for him and just released him.  His physical health wasn't in doubt, his mental health was.  He signed for 1 yr 1mil last year.

The NFL, Bruce Arians and Sean Peyton all show what they value Winston at.  But you all know better.  

I'm done talking about someone who might/probably be the QB at the Saints this year.  

He's not my QB.

 

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and I view it similar to the Panthers.  You can start Hill or Winston.  You win about the same amount of games.  You just get there differently. 

Which is kinda my Darnold vs Teddy thought.  We would win about the same number no matter who played QB.  The games we win/loss might be different but we get to about the place in the end.  Sam will however be more entertaining and therefore the better option over Teddy. 

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2 hours ago, CRA said:

for all the poo PFF talk gets....their list is better than Simms'.  

Both Lists are nothing but OPINIONS so whatever.

 

What I want to know is whether the name is spelled PAYTON or PEYTON...

The only Peyton I know is Peyton Manning....

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4 hours ago, SBBlue said:

Huh? 

If Winston is so awesome why did Winston play in only a few games last year?  Did he ever even start or play a whole game last year?

Why did the Saints start Taysom HIll weeks 11-14 over Winston?

Are you saying that you can evaluate QB talent better than Peyton  or Arians?

Probably for the same reason the Jets looked better under Flacco than Darnold. 

Neither of these guys are particularly good QBs. Which is why their respective teams moved on from them and coaches lost their jobs in the process. 

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4 hours ago, SBBlue said:

So far a bust.   The Saints chose to go with Hill over Winston last year.

The guy can throw.  His decision making on the bench, in the locker room, in the pocket is bad.

Chris Simms Thinks Taysom Hill is a Better QB Than Jameis Winston (fanduel.com)

I was referring to his onfield performance. He can dazzle one play and baffle the next. We obviously know he is a bust as a top overall draft selection. I don't think anyone here is under any illusions that Jameis is likely to suddenly turn his career around. However his decision making struggles going back to college are not as far off from our own starter as some think. We hope Sam can turn the corner but like Winston the odds are stacked against him. His youth is the biggest plus in our favor rn.

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