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Revisiting Brown vs Simmons...


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18 minutes ago, trueblade said:

Chinn is doing everything in our defense Simmons would (and doing it better). The real problem is Brown hasn't become a Vita Vea level player. You just can't run on the Bucs (well, unless you're Khalil Herbert).

Vita Vea wasn't Vita till his 3rd season and then he got hurt so nfl fans really hadn't noticed him... also helps he has Suh next to him.

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9 hours ago, Squid Game said:

You don’t draft a “run stuffing” DT that isn’t capable of being a threat rushing the passer with the 7th overall pick. 

Run stuffer who is top 10 in pass rush win % among DTs this year? Okay...

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32176833/2021-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings

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11 hours ago, Snake said:

Brown was a good pick but man I wish Herbert would have fell. 

My brother is a long time dolphins fan & he whines every time San Diego gets a win. They were comparing Herbert to Marino coming out of college with size & strength. He said the GM at dolphins is a basket case & would like just one draft & free agency to get some players for the dolphins. 

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52 minutes ago, Smittymoose said:

Run stuffer who is top 10 in pass rush win % among DTs this year? Okay...

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32176833/2021-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings

How many sacks? Two, thru seven games. Only DTs like Aaron Donald, Warren Sapp, Ndamukong Suh, Leonard Williams, Fletcher Cox, Haloti Ngata, Chris Jones, Richard Seymour, John Randle and Gerald McCoy should go that high in the draft. And a couple of them didn’t even go that high. 
 

Derrick Brown isn’t Star Lotulelei or Vita Vea. Star and Vita have little sacks but they garner so much attention.

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Just now, Squid Game said:

How many sacks? Two, thru seven games. Only DTs like Aaron Donald, Warren Sapp, Ndamukong Suh, Leonard Williams, Fletcher Cox, Haloti Ngata, Chris Jones, Richard Seymour, John Randle and Gerald McCoy should go that high in the draft. And a couple of them didn’t even go that high. 

McCoy, Butler and Poe combined for 15 sacks in 2019. The team was 2nd in sacks in the NFL with 53. How did that defense do again? 

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6 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Exactly. So why is sacks the most important thing again? 

You’re really trying to compare a Derrick Brown who’s in his 2nd year and was last year’s 7th overall pick to a bust in Vernon Butler and two old broken players in Poe and McCoy of 2019? McCoy and Poe were some of the best DTs in their 2nd season. Brown is just a faster Dexter Lawrence. If you want to see him have a good career, you’d have to draft a pass rushing DT to play next to him. 

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43 minutes ago, Squid Game said:

You’re really trying to compare a Derrick Brown who’s in his 2nd year and was last year’s 7th overall pick to a bust in Vernon Butler and two old broken players in Poe and McCoy of 2019? McCoy and Poe were some of the best DTs in their 2nd season. Brown is just a faster Dexter Lawrence. If you want to see him have a good career, you’d have to draft a pass rushing DT to play next to him. 

No. I gave a perfect example to show your “sacks is all that matters” theory is “chuck-like”. A very well known example to everyone on here. Those are your words. 
 

Suh had 4 sacks his second season. Did he suck? 

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11 hours ago, Squid Game said:

You don’t draft a “run stuffing” DT that isn’t capable of being a threat rushing the passer with the 7th overall pick. 

Star Lotuleilei was a top 5 prospect (well worth it) before he had that heart issue crop up pre draft 

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