This'll piss you off

[Khyber53]

Look at the guys actually doing something out there.

With the exception of Reddick, Luvu, Gonzalez and Gilmore, every player that is performing at grade level and above was a Hurney draft, and many were coached by Rivera. 

Jaycee Horn gets an Incomplete grade because of injury (he looked good here before the injury, but they all did at that time). 

Whew. Hurney/Rivera era players are what are holding this team together right now. That's how bad things are and that's no praise for Hurney or Rivera, just pointing out that those guys got fired for their performance here.

 

[firefox1234]

[45catfan]

Yeah, I was a bit baffled when people here were claiming this past draft was better than the 2020 draft this off season. I didn't see it then, and sure as heck don't see it now.

[CarolinaLivin]

The top PFF graded players from the game yesterday were

Stephon Gilmore 83.0

Jeremy Chinn 81.5

Marquis Haynes 80.03

Michael Jordan 75.3

Not arguing, just saying... 

All three arrived during Rhule era

[Tbe]

So more experienced players are playing better than rookies?

I like how your exceptions list is 4 starters.

lastly…Greg little. Paradis.

 

[mav1234]

Terrace deserves an incomplete as well, imo. He looked so good in the preseason... 

Keith Taylor has shown some great potential and made a couple plays.

Chubba looks good for a rookie imo, but obviously needs to work on his hands.

I agree with your premise. Our core is leaning heavily on Hurney if not River/Hurney players.  But keep in mind it takes a few years for most drafted players to settle in.

Edited November 8, 2021 by mav1234

[hepcat]

An NFL caliber offensive coordinator could have won with this roster and Teddy Bridgewater

[PhillyB]

i mean fitts has been here for one offseason, so the numbers don't exactly stack up in his favor. his guys are mostly free agents on a cash strapped hurney'd salary cap and rookies (who are either injured or playing on an offense missing some chromosomes.)

front office is still in better shape than it was under hurney and it ain't even close.

[Fox007]

I actually think some of the guys Rhule/Fitt bring in are legit and will be good. Its just the OL/QB/OC situation is a super bad issue 

[45catfan]

Just now, hepcat said:

An NFL caliber offensive coordinator could have won with this roster, Teddy Bridgewater and a mediocre offensive line.

FIFY.

[PhillyB]

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

An NFL caliber offensive coordinator could have won with this roster and Teddy Bridgewater

what???? no chance. trotting out this O-line is actually the biggest knock against the front office i just defended. teddy looks serviceable because he has a line + less psi holding the two-yard balls back 

[Khyber53]

Just now, 45catfan said:

Yeah, I was a bit baffled when people here were claiming this past draft was better than the 2020 draft this off season. I didn't see it then, and sure as heck don't see it now.

Because it's really not.

Horn may be excellent, may not ever recover. Marshall is, well, a Temple player from LSU at best. Christensen is apparently a toothless T. Rex. Tremble might be a good TE eventually, maybe a fair one right now. Daviyon Nixon gets an incomplete due to injury but seemed nothing too special so far. Chuba has flashes of excellence but has hands of stone. Keith Taylor had an outstanding game against Minnesota but has otherwise been quiet. Deonte Brown went to IR because of weight apparently, never having played a meaningful snap. Shi Smith proved to be another training camp favorite that has done nothing in limited opportunities. Thomas Fletcher sent to IR under the crushing injury of JJ Jansen wanting to stay an extra season. Phil Hoskins has been seen on the back of milk cartons.

Wow. After trading for soooo many picks and passing on soooo many bonafide players, you'd think we'd have hit pay dirt a couple of times just by random chance. Fitt just shat the bed with Rhule's apparent guidance.

[hepcat]

Just now, PhillyB said:

what???? no chance. trotting out this O-line is actually the biggest knock against the front office i just defended. teddy looks serviceable because he had a line + less psi holding the two-yard balls back 

the offensive line isn't good but darnold makes it looks worse holding onto the ball for so long even when he has a clean pocket. a good offensive coordinator could scheme quicker throws and play action to manufacture more time to pass. the biggest issue really is darnold doesn't process coverage well. even when brady schemes open guys, darnold either doesn't look at them, throws to them too late, or throws a terrible ball. bridgewater could at least read a defense, even if his arm talent couldn't challenge them. 

[Fox007]

2 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

what???? no chance. trotting out this O-line is actually the biggest knock against the front office i just defended. teddy looks serviceable because he has a line + less psi holding the two-yard balls back 

Brady is a major issue but nothign is as bad as the OL including Darnold.

There is one legit player across the entire line and most of them aren't even backup material but the ones starting SHOULD be backups at best