New Pod: Joe Brady fired, Matt Rhule’s process, arm length, and what’s next?

[ellis]

Hey guys. Hope all is well.

We did a pod on the Joe Brady firing, and discussed some of what ails Matt Rhule right now. Give it a listen, if you’d like. 

 

[mrcompletely11]

Never mind.  Keep up the good work

Edited December 10, 2021 by mrcompletely11

[The Lobo]

Big fan of both of you guys, keep it up. 

[glenwo2]

"Matt Rhule and arm length"?

There's a joke in there somewhere...

[Mr. Scot]

Howdy, John.

[Mr. Scot]

Generally speaking, "allowing your football folks to operate with freedom" is a good thing...

... except when your "football folk" is Marty Hurney.

(or Matt Rhule)

Edited December 11, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[AU-panther]

I actually like a lot of what Ellis says and people should listen to the podcast, some of their comments about Brady were a bit surprising.

Ellis is actually more even keel than most fans.  Like he said, Tepper might have been wrong about Rhule, it happens.  Not only do most first time hires not work out, when you think about it most HC hires overall don't work out.

Would have a search committee helped the first time?  maybe, maybe not.  Rhule still could have been a candidate, Tepper might still have picked him.  The Giants had a "football person" (DG)  running their search and they wanted Rhule also.

The biggest concern with Rhule going into it was his lack of NFL experience, and that looks to be true at this point.  

If Rhule ends up getting fired it will be because of his inability to address the QB position and the offensive line, specifically with his free agent acquisitions.  The defensive side of the ball has actually been above average overall, their college evaluation will probably be ok relative to the rest of the league when we look back in a few years.  

Alot of us were very critical of the Teddy, Sam, Erving, and Elflein signings when they happened.  If Rhule gets fired it will be because of those decisions.

 

 

 

 

 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

4 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

I actually like a lot of what Ellis says and people should listen to the podcast, some of their comments about Brady were a bit surprising.

Ellis is actually more even keel than most fans.  Like he said, Tepper might have been wrong about Rhule, it happens.  Not only do most first time hires not work out, when you think about it most HC hires overall don't work out.

Would have a search committee helped the first time?  maybe, maybe not.  Rhule still could have been a candidate, Tepper might still have picked him.  The Giants had a "football person" (DG)  running their search and they wanted Rhule also.

The biggest concern with Rhule going into it was his lack of NFL experience, and that looks to be true at this point.  

If Rhule ends up getting fired it will be because of his inability to address the QB position and the offensive line, specifically with his free agent acquisitions.  The defensive side of the ball has actually been above average overall, their college evaluation will probably be ok relative to the rest of the league when we look back in a few years.  

Alot of us were very critical of the Teddy, Sam, Erving, and Elflein signings when they happened.  If Rhule gets fired it will be because of those decisions.

Rhule's downfall will directly stem from his desire to have total control as a first time HC.  Had he been supported by experienced NFL coordinators his transition to the pros would have likely been smoother without the poor personnel decisions we've witnessed in his first two years.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Rhule's downfall will directly stem from his desire to have total control as a first time HC.  Had he been supported by experienced NFL coordinators his transition to the pros would have likely been smoother without the poor personnel decisions we've witnessed in his first two years.

Not hiring a majority of his staff from the college ranks (and specifically the Baylor and Temple ranks) probably also would have helped.

[AU-panther]

10 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Rhule's downfall will directly stem from his desire to have total control as a first time HC.  Had he been supported by experienced NFL coordinators his transition to the pros would have likely been smoother without the poor personnel decisions we've witnessed in his first two years.

What do you think would have helped him more, better OC or better QB and O-line?

 

[AU-panther]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not hiring a majority of his staff from the college ranks (and specifically the Baylor and Temple ranks) probably also would have helped.

Same question for you, would have better personnel decisions on the offensive side of the ball or better offensive staffing helped more?

 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

4 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

What do you think would have helped him more, better OC or better QB and O-line?

It isn't an either or proposition.

The better OC would have likely resulted in a better QB and O-line

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Same question for you, would have better personnel decisions on the offensive side of the ball or better offensive staffing helped more?

You're missing the point.

There's one common denominator to all of these problems. That would be the guy who hired the coaches and had final say on the players.

The problem is Rhule. Better support in either area would just be postponing the inevitable.

Edited December 12, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

What do you think would have helped him more, better OC or better QB and O-line?

 

A real GM would have probably have solved many of the other issues. Rhule the executive never gave Rhule the HC a chance with his lack of understanding the salary cap and value.