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1 hour ago, onmyown said:

A perfect scenario where cam gets great coaching, fair refs, superb weapons and an above average oline is unrealistic. There are quite a few qbs that would thrive with all that, it doesn’t make him special.

Fact is we need a qb for the future and one who can handle things when they’re not perfect, like Cam was over a half decade ago. That’s not him. He’s a mentor/backup at this point for a variety of reasons. But aside from that, the Panthers are a couple, if not several years from providing this perfect qb scenario you describe.

Had we had this perfect scenario qbs like Stafford are a better option. But we don’t have it, and are why he said no.

I didn't say anything about "Perfect" more along the lines of "NORMAL" You can't sit there and say Cam has had anything close to a normal circumstance in either of his last two seasons.

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10 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

I didn't say anything about "Perfect" more along the lines of "NORMAL" You can't sit there and say Cam has had anything close to a normal circumstance in either of his last two seasons.

I agree he hasn't had the chance of any substance of a starter qb not much as even a back up would. To come in with no training camp and catch covid and no true wrs and no TEs. The thing is Panthers are a sinking ship and really need to work on building the line.  they sign Cam back and give him a fair try at competing with darnold for starting position like new england did and hold off on signing a qb bc the line needs major help and they need a tight end as well. If you loose badly next yr you should be in good position to get Young or another young qb the following yr. If this does not happen then Cam will be back on the couch.

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14 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Almost as weird as idiots who do nothing but look at stats

You mean his terrible stats and terrible record and terrible eye test.  Have we found Ellis' burner account? 

...but but but he ran for some TD's!  This isn't Nebraska Cornhusker option offense of the 90's if you haven't noticed.

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