Albert Breer on the Panthers quarterback options

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

And it’s a really bad take. The panthers don’t exist to stick it to Matt rhule or to acquire lots of cap space. They exist to win games. Suggesting that they should intentionally handicap the team to accomplish either of the former things is S dumb a thing as you can possibly read online.

Who pissed in your cornflakes?

This team isn't winning anything and one single player is not going to change that.  But you do you.

[davos]

Tepper has wanted Watson this entire time once he clears. That’s really it. 

And it’s still likely not to happen and he wants a QB so now we’re looking at a lot of pretty meh options.

We’ve got the Saints, Steelers, Broncos, Packers, Giants, Falcons, WFT all looking for QBs, we’ve got our work cut out. a trade especially for Jimmy is going to be super overvalued and we’ll be wasting so much to get a game manager.

I’m meh on Pickett, Strong, Willis, somewhat interested in Corral or Ridder but this rookie class just ain’t it. 

I just wish he put as much desire for greatness at HC as he apparently does at QB. 

I see no good options with a ton of storied franchises and teams in much better spots needing QBs.

[Growl]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

Who pissed in your cornflakes?

This team isn't winning anything and one single player is not going to change that.  But you do you.

I’m sorry that you’re operating with a laughably unrealistic pretense of the way the world works so I’ll list it out

-Dave tepper is not going to instruct matt rhule to intentionally do things which hinder the team from developing or winning

-Matt rhule’s job is not to “prepare the roster” for the next coach no matter much Henry Huddler may wish it so

-anyone who doesn’t think the QB position doesn’t have the kind of influence to turn around a team shouldn’t be poisoning others with their bad takes

-the draft has precious little to do with next season and the team isn’t making decisions with that fixation

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, Growl said:

And it’s a really bad take. The panthers don’t exist to stick it to Matt rhule or to acquire lots of cap space. They exist to win games. Suggesting that they should intentionally handicap the team to accomplish either of the former things is S dumb a thing as you can possibly read online.

NFL teams handicap coaches all the time when they know the coach's time is most likely nearing an end. 

and we have seen that here too. 

NFL teams don't try to win as many games as possible every year.   

[Growl]

Just now, CRA said:

NFL teams handicap coaches all the time when they know the coach's time is most likely nearing an end. 

and we have seen that here too. 

NFL teams don't try to win as many games as possible every year.   

Lol you’re referring to the lockout? Jerry trying to stick it Peyton Manning does not constitute willfully handicapping a coach with the ultimate hope that he will fail. Tepper had too much riding on this. They aren’t having a fire sale. They aren’t tanking. 

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, Growl said:

Lol you’re referring to the lockout? Jerry trying to stick it Peyton Manning does not constitute willfully handicapping a coach with the ultimate hope that he will fail. Tepper had too much riding on this. They aren’t having a fire sale. They aren’t tanking. 

Was referring to the end of John Fox.  

and I think the 2022 draft should be handled like the 2010 draft.  Only hopefully this time our GM doesn't bomb it.  This draft shouldn't be a Matt Rhule draft. 

Not doing everything to win the most games possible in a given year isn't claiming they are tanking or having a fire sale.  All 32 teams aren't in win now windows nor are all 32 confident in their HC they will have next year being the answer going forward.  

[Growl]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

Was referring to the end of John Fox.  

and I think the 2022 draft should be handled like the 2010 draft.  Only hopefully this time our GM doesn't bomb it.  This draft shouldn't be a Matt Rhule draft. 

Not doing everything to win the most games possible in a given year isn't claiming they are tanking or having a fire sale.  All 32 teams aren't in win now windows nor are all 32 confident in their HC they will have next year being the answer going forward.  

So what exactly is this in-between between trending up or down?

No team in the league intentionally plans for a .500 season. You are either building or deconstructing. You don’t group together in the board room and say “look, we’re gonna win 7 games this season and then we’re gonna fire you coach, so don’t add any new players and try not to win too much!”

teams either believe they are trending up or down and operate as such. Every move the panthers have made so far-every single one-has indicated which direction they believe they are heading.

dave tepper didn’t keep Matt rhule with the intent to be bad next season, no matter how many absurd fan conspiracies you may have read online.

[CRA]

Just now, Growl said:

So what exactly is this in-between between trending up or down?

No team in the league intentionally plans for a .500 season. You are either building or deconstructing. You don’t group together in the board room and say “look, we’re gonna win 7 games this season and then we’re gonna fire you coach, so don’t add any new players and try not to win too much!”

teams either believe they are trending up or down and operate as such. Every move the panthers have made so far-every single one-has indicated which direction they believe they are heading.

dave tepper didn’t keep Matt rhule with the intent to be bad next season, no matter how many absurd fan conspiracies you may have read online.

I mean, every team doesn't fall into the tank for the #1 draft pick or believes they are in a legit SB window. 

I would say the Panthers are in a slow rebuild.  Fully aware, that it is likely the rebuild continues on under a new HC.   So I think the Panthers will overall focus on slowly building up and improving foundational aspects of the team continuing to slowly improve. 

But you aren't going to waste resources for Matt Rhule to attempt to win as many games as he can this year.   That is counter productive to building something big picture IMO.  

[Growl]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, every team doesn't fall into the tank for the #1 draft pick or believes they are in a legit SB window. 

I would say the Panthers are in a slow rebuild.  Fully aware, that it is likely the rebuild continues on under a new HC.   So I think the Panthers will overall focus on slowly building up and improving foundational aspects of the team continuing to slowly improve. 

But you aren't going to waste resources for Matt Rhule to attempt to win as many games as he can this year.   That is counter productive to building something big picture IMO.  

There’s no such thing as a “slow rebuild,” the days of the 5 year plan are long since gone, and nothing the panthers have done up to this point suggests the panthers are operating under this pretense.

you’re insinuating some insane notion of secret handshake meetings between tepper and fitterer where they agree to simply let rhule flounder, and it’s delusional. They’re going to sign free agents. They’re going to evaluate maximum impact draft prospects. Nobody working for the panthers is intentionally trying to have a mediocre season by simply waiting it out. Everyone’s job is on the line. Also the notion that a franchise QB isn’t “foundational” is lolz.

[jasonluckydog]

Bridgewater is available, he did great in New Orleans once.

[CRA]

30 minutes ago, Growl said:

There’s no such thing as a “slow rebuild,” the days of the 5 year plan are long since gone, and nothing the panthers have done up to this point suggests the panthers are operating under this pretense.

you’re insinuating some insane notion of secret handshake meetings between tepper and fitterer where they agree to simply let rhule flounder, and it’s delusional. They’re going to sign free agents. They’re going to evaluate maximum impact draft prospects. Nobody working for the panthers is intentionally trying to have a mediocre season by simply waiting it out. Everyone’s job is on the line. Also the notion that a franchise QB isn’t “foundational” is lolz.

I mean, there is when you hire someone unqualified in Matt Rhule to lead a rebuild.   

and no, you haven't seen it to date because Matt Rhule had rightfully been given the power and green light.  But now that it is clear he looks like a dud and has high odds of being a lame duck.....yeah, it changes how you go about things if you are a front office.  Or if you are remotely competent.  To an extent you can no longer responsibly be all in on Matt Rhule's vision. 

Everyone's job isn't on the line.  Matt Rhule and company are the ones with the job on the line.  And when you are on the hot seat.....you start rightfully getting your hands tied to a degree.   Because a front office has to mitigate how bad Rhule could continue to make things in this window....once most seem to realize he is a mistake.  You have to start thinking about the scenario the next guy will be taking over to continue the rebuild.    

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, there is when you hire someone unqualified in Matt Rhule to lead a rebuild.   

and no, you haven't seen it to date because Matt Rhule had rightfully been given the power and green light.  But now that it is clear he looks like a dud and has high odds of being a lame duck.....yeah, it changes how you got about things if you are a front office.  Or if you are remotely competent.  To an extent you can no longer responsibly be all in on Matt Rhule's vision. 

Everyone's job isn't on the line.  Matt Rhule and company are the ones with the job on the line.  And when you are on the hot seat.....you start rightfully getting your hands tied to a degree.   Because a front office has to mitigate how bad Rhule could continue to make things in this window....once where most seem to realize he is a mistake. 

Yeah this isnt a hard concept what you are laying out.  Not sure why he isnt understand this.

[Growl]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, there is when you hire someone unqualified in Matt Rhule to lead a rebuild.   

and no, you haven't seen it to date because Matt Rhule had rightfully been given the power and green light.  But now that it is clear he looks like a dud and has high odds of being a lame duck.....yeah, it changes how you go about things if you are a front office.  Or if you are remotely competent.  To an extent you can no longer responsibly be all in on Matt Rhule's vision. 

Everyone's job isn't on the line.  Matt Rhule and company are the ones with the job on the line.  And when you are on the hot seat.....you start rightfully getting your hands tied to a degree.   Because a front office has to mitigate how bad Rhule could continue to make things in this window....once most seem to realize he is a mistake.  You have to start thinking about the scenario the next guy will be taking over to continue the rebuild.    

You’re projecting your own distaste for Matt rhule onto what you think the team should be doing, not that it makes any sense because no organization would simply resign themselves to 5-8 win season without making corresponding moves to prepare for a rebuild.

how will you rationalize all this when players aren’t given away in a firesale? How will you rationalize when the panthers sign players in free agency? 

what you’re doing doesn’t exist. Dave tepper isn’t saying to himself, “we spent so much money Sam darnold, our cap, our precious cap, Rhule MUST swallow his medicine.”

it isn’t real. It’s a fantasy conjured by stupid fans who obsess over trivial things like the salary cap as if they personally paid money into it. 

[Growl]

9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Yeah this isnt a hard concept what you are laying out.  Not sure why he isnt understand this.

You haven’t formulated a thought for yourself since your mom first allowed you to get on the internet