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About that #6 pick and QB..

Cam's New Arm

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rayzor Grand Master

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15 minutes ago, Cam's New Arm said:

JC Horn has something to say about our team reaching for a QB with an early pick. If they were enamored, even slightly, I think we all agree they should have / would have taken one of the guys (Fields or Mac) early, last year. 

I think with Fit involved, they'll make a pretty good decision there.

It's Rhule's choice. Not Fit. What Rhule wants, Rhule gets.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, let's be honest...

JC Horn wasn't a good decision so I'm not sure why you're hanging your hopes on that 

Horn is going to be a top 5 CB in the league he was well worth the selection but drafting a long snapper and taking Marshall in the 2nd when we already had 2 good receivers was awful.

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24 minutes ago, Cam's New Arm said:

JC Horn has something to say about our team reaching for a QB with an early pick. If they were enamored, even slightly, I think we all agree they should have / would have taken one of the guys (Fields or Mac) early, last year. 

I think with Fit involved, they'll make a pretty good decision there.

Fit (Rhule’s yes man) hasn’t made many good decisions since he got here.

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10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, let's be honest...

JC Horn wasn't a good decision so I'm not sure why you're hanging your hopes on that 

Sure he was.  You must have forgotten how abhorrent our pass D was the year before Jaycee was drafted.  We absolutely needed a legit CB, and we got one in Horn.  Hes going to be a dog for us. 

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2 minutes ago, joemac said:

Sure he was.  You must have forgotten how abhorrent our pass D was the year before Jaycee was drafted.  We absolutely needed a legit CB, and we got one in Horn.  Hes going to be a dog for us. 

And you may have forgotten our D was fine for the 14 games he didn’t play in.

Given how easily we addressed CB when he went down and are still absolutely woeful at OL - the all pro LT would have made more sense.

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29 minutes ago, therealmjl said:

And you may have forgotten our D was fine for the 14 games he didn’t play in.

Given how easily we addressed CB when he went down and are still absolutely woeful at OL - the all pro LT would have made more sense.

Nobody knew he was going to be an All Pro LT before the season started, and they had already invested a lot of capital in Free Agency on the line, so I imagine, in their minds, that the line should have been decent last year, even though it was terrible.  Hindsight is 20/20. 

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41 minutes ago, Cam's New Arm said:

JC Horn has something to say about our team reaching for a QB with an early pick. If they were enamored, even slightly, I think we all agree they should have / would have taken one of the guys (Fields or Mac) early, last year. 

I think with Fit involved, they'll make a pretty good decision there.

 

I still don't think we made a major mistake passing on Fields or Jones.

Here's are Fields stats from 2021:

TD: 7, INT: 10, Yards: 1,870, QBR: 26.5

I realize he didn't start the entire season which has some affect on his output. Still, his TD passes, yardage and QBR each ranked 31st in the NFL. I saw nothing in 2021 to suggest we set our franchise back a DECADE by passing on him. He played for an offensive-minded coach in Matt Nagy last year and still put up pedestrian stats. I doubt he would have done much better with us behind our woeful O-line and in an Joe Brady offense. Now, Nagy is gone and the Bears have hired a defensive-minded head coach, Matt Eberplus. I just don't see that as a good match. I'll regret not drafting Justin Fields after he wins a couple of MVP awards or a Super Bowl. Until then I'll never regret passing on an Ohio State QB. 

Matt Jones had better numbers since he started most of the season.

TD: 22, INT: 13, Yards: 3,801, QBR: 50.9

Those numbers aren't bad at all for a rookie. But, take into account who he played with...The NE Patriots. Belichik is the most successful HC of the Super Bowl era. Matt had a solid OC in Josh McDaniel. The defensive is one of the best in the NFL. The offensive line is always good in New England. Do you guys think he would have been that successful in Carolina with our 
O-line? Fields at least could have made "some plays" with his legs. Matt Jones would have been beat to death playing with the Panthers in 2021.

If we had a solid HC, OC, and O-line heading into 2021, I could see "possibly" taking one of them. Unfortunately, we had none of the above. Those guys dogded a bullet by not coming here. Still, I just don't think in 5 years any of us will be thinking "we'd be a perennial contender if we had taken Fields or Jones in 2021 

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I love jaycee and think he’s gonna be a beast but I don’t believe in building teams with top ten corner picks. I could see it if we were already an established team who had an off year. But these are building block picks right now. Need a qb, LT and pass rusher. We have 1 of those. Top ten corner picks on rebuilding teams are luxury picks imo. 

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52 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, let's be honest...

JC Horn wasn't a good decision so I'm not sure why you're hanging your hopes on that 

I think horn will be great, but that wasn't the right decision to make. We could have had someone that would have made a much bigger impact on the game/season/future overall. OL or QB would have been a much wiser choice. 

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