For the Willis isn't that fast crowd

[Lets go get it Canes]

2 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

Because that's such a old school mindset. Having more than 1 way to attack a problem or situation is nothing but good. If the defense has more to worry about there is less they can throw at you. That really isn't debatable.

Running QBs have short careers and don’t win Super Bowls. 

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, Lets go get it Canes said:

So was Jamarcus Russell.  Arrgghhhh

Lol true. But saying Willis is just a running back isn’t telling the whole story. If people want to hate on him hate on him correcting. Didn’t go through his reads enough, still raw as a passer etc…

[weyco2000]

Tom Brady is slow as fug, but he has 7 rings and 5 SB MVP trophies… now if you said he had 15” hands, that’s a game changer!!

[weyco2000]

9 hours ago, rippadonn said:

He ran an unofficial 4.29

Who timed it, his mother?

[Barney]

I want speed on the reads and release and accuracy with the ball.  Anything else is irrelevant to me in a QB.  Tom Brady, Drew Breese, Peyton Manning, and anyone else you want to put at the top of the chain at QB were not fleet of foot.  While Mahommes is quick he is really at his best when he uses his quickness to get outside the pocket and find a receiver, not when he runs with the ball.  

Edited March 23, 2022 by Barney

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Barney said:

I want speed on the reads and release and accuracy with the ball.  Anything else is irrelevant to me in a QB.  Tom Brady, Drew Breese, Peyton Manning, and anyone else you want to put at the top of the chain at QB were not fleet of foot.  While Mahommes is quick he is really at his best when he uses his quickness to get outside the pocket and find a receiver, not when he runs with the ball.  

Last 5 years playoff qbs on final 4 teams:

 

2017: Brady, Foles, Bortles, Cousins

2018: Brady, Mahoomes, Goff, Brees

2019: Rodgers, Jimmy G, Mahoomes, Ryan T

2020: Allen, Mahoomes, Brady, Rodgers

2021: Jimmy G, Burrow, Mahoomes, Stafford

 

I count one "running" qb out of 20 potential spots.  I think running qbs are just shining toys but when the rubber meets the road in the playoffs defenses can scheme for them and shear arm talent and accuracy win the day. 

 

[Barney]

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Last 5 years playoff qbs on final 4 teams:

 

2017: Brady, Foles, Bortles, Cousins

2018: Brady, Mahoomes, Goff, Brees

2019: Rodgers, Jimmy G, Mahoomes, Ryan T

2020: Allen, Mahoomes, Brady, Rodgers

2021: Jimmy G, Burrow, Mahoomes, Stafford

 

I count one "running" qb out of 20 potential spots.  I think running qbs are just shining toys but when the rubber meets the road in the playoffs defenses can scheme for them and shear arm talent and accuracy win the day. 

 

Most of them have been able to rely on their athletic ability their entire life and never had to properly learn to  go through their progressions, make the reads and have good footwork.  They are used taking one or two looks and taking off running, but the NFL is a big boy game and eventually all of those hits start adding up and when they cannot run as effectively the deficiencies in their passing starts to become a glaring issue. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Barney said:

Most of them have been able to rely on their athletic ability their entire life and never had to properly learn to  go through their progressions, make the reads and have good footwork.  They are used taking one or two looks and taking off running, but the NFL is a big boy game and eventually all of those hits start adding up and when they cannot run as effectively the deficiencies in their passing starts to become a glaring issue. 

You're not wrong, I just think the value of a "running qb" is extremely overrated. 

[Barney]

16 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You're not wrong, I just think the value of a "running qb" is extremely overrated. 

I agree with you totally

[frankw]

15 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You're not wrong, I just think the value of a "running qb" is extremely overrated. 

You're really getting too worked up about "running" QB's. First of all that is a very loose description. When I think running QB I think someone who is putting up BIG rushing numbers and has designed runs each game. They do not have pass first drilled into their heads. Are there really any QB's like that left? Most now use their legs and look to extend plays or setup passes when necessary. Can we please have these discussions without everything turning into a "I don't want another Michael Vick" shitslinging fest? The game is changing and most QB's are no longer statues. Just accept it.

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, unicar15 said:

He ran a 4.3 at Auburn…..30lbs ago. So nah he’s not running sub 4.4 anymore. He’s prob not running sub 4.6 anymore.

Dude just said he's been clocked on scrambles at the same speed as kyler Murray in game thats what 4.38.

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, Lets go get it Canes said:

Running QBs have short careers and don’t win Super Bowls. 

Who is labeling him a running qb. Having the ability to run and throw doesn't mean you can't do the other.. thats what your saying.

[micnificent28]

40 minutes ago, frankw said:

You're really getting too worked up about "running" QB's. First of all that is a very loose description. When I think running QB I think someone who is putting up BIG rushing numbers and has designed runs each game. They do not have pass first drilled into their heads. Are there really any QB's like that left? Most now use their legs and look to extend plays or setup passes when necessary. Can we please have these discussions without everything turning into a "I don't want another Michael Vick" shitslinging fest? The game is changing and most QB's are no longer statues. Just accept it.

Exactly..  these boomers seem to think having legs makes you a horrible passer.. look at the top qbs in the most of these guys have some ability to move and or pick up first downs with their legs. The pure pocket passer is actually a dying breed.

[Tr3ach]

11 hours ago, rippadonn said:

He ran an unofficial 4.29

If he thought he was going to run anything in the 4.2 or 4.3 range he would have ran at some point.  He got ran down too many times to run anywhere near that.