What went wrong? The Sam Darnold Experiment (Video)

[CarolinaLivin]

Video also mentions Jimmy G having a higher Turnover Worthy Play (TWP) % than Sam in 2021. Just a note. 
 

This is just an analysis video (11 minutes)

Edited June 22, 2022 by CarolinaLivin

[frankw]

There are several more videos like this from when he was a Jet with the he has all the tools will he or won't he take the next step summary thoughts. Turnovers are who Sam Darnold is. The person who made this should have included the rest of his thoughts from that podcast. That is the real Sam Darnold. In Sam's mind he has already arrived. He is a good guy but he does not see his flaws therefore the same flaws are holding him back in as he enters his fifth year. To continue to entertain this notion that he could still be successful is nothing more than fantasy.

[LinvilleGorge]

Sam Darnold is what went wrong. He's a talented thrower of the football but he's a terrible QB. Being a talented thrower does not necessarily make a good QB.

It's like being a WR with a 4.3 40. Yeah, that's nice and all... but can you actually play?

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Sam Darnold is what went wrong. He's a talented thrower of the football but he's a terrible QB. Being a talented thrower does not necessarily make a good QB.

It's like being a WR with a 4.3 40. Yeah, that's nice and all... but can you actually play?

Yep. And eventually no matter the talent level, you will stop getting people believing in you.

This is probably Sam's last year he can prove anything to anyone. He isn't going to get another shot at signing a starting QB contract again if he doesn't put it all together in 2022.

Edited June 22, 2022 by kungfoodude

[CRA]

Sam is the textbook most talented guy in HS that ends up at QB.   Generally, those types go on to college and play other positions.   Which is the path Darnold was intitially recruite to go down.   

The reps a Trevor Lawerence type has vs a Sam Darnold has aren't even close.  Trevor might be a bust.  But the dude has been groomed year round to play QB since middle school.  

Sam is simply not a NFL QB.  And it isn't going to happen.  But he is a decent overall athlete hence the illusion something might be there.  But you can't make a NFL QB brain this late in the game IMO. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yep. And eventually not matter the talent level, you will stop getting people believing in you.

This is probably Sam's last year he can prove anything to anyone. He isn't going to get another shot at signing a starting QB contract again if he doesn't put it all together in 2022.

Honestly, I think 90% of the league was already there when we traded for him. If we cut him today I doubt very seriously he would generate anything other than short term low money "prove it" deal offers with zero opportunities to enter camp penciled in as the starter. Looking around the league, I honestly don't see many if any situations where he could even compete for a starting job. I mean, if you're on a roster with a 3rd round rookie and a guy who couldn't get an NFL contract until your college coach landed an NFL gig and they're still shopping and unwilling to commit to you... well, I mean it's tougher to imagine a more gift wrapped opportunity than that. If you can't start here you probably can't start anywhere.

[ForJimmy]

What went wrong?  Matt Rhule plus Sam Darnold = bad coach plus bad QB.  

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Sam is the textbook most talented guy in HS that ends up a QB.   Generally, those types go on to college and play other positions.   Which is the path Darnold was intitially recruite to go down.   

The reps a Trevor Lawerence type has vs a Sam Darnold has aren't even close.  Trevor might be a bust.  But the dude has been groomed year round to play QB since middle school.  

Sam is simply not a NFL QB.  And it isn't going to happen.  But he is a decent overall athlete hence the illusion something might be there.  But you can't make a NFL QB brain this late in the game IMO. 

Yeah, Darnold didn't have years of prepping for this. He was an accidental QB. He would be in his 30's to even catch the amount of reps that Trevor has had to date.

He's just far behind the curve and he really hasn't shown the ability to develop. In hindsight, he probably should have stayed in college all four years. Perhaps he could have learned enough to help his development. But then again, maybe he would have ended up a late round pick and he wouldn't be financially secure. So, maybe it worked out the best for Sam Darnold in the end.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sam is the textbook most talented guy in HS that ends up a QB.   Generally, those types go on to college and play other positions.   Which is the path Darnold was intitially recruite to go down.   

The reps a Trevor Lawerence type has vs a Sam Darnold has aren't even close.  Trevor might be a bust.  But the dude has been groomed year round to play QB since middle school.  

Sam is simply not a NFL QB.  And it isn't going to happen.  But he is a decent overall athlete hence the illusion something might be there.  But you can't make a NFL QB brain this late in the game IMO. 

Nah man, it's way worse than that. He threw for less than 800 yards and single digit TDs in HS. They moved him all over the place from QB, to TE, to LB trying to figure out how to maximize his talents. Hell, even his HS coaches realized this dude isn't a QB.

[Jon Snow]

Never draft or sign a qb from USC or Ohio State University.  He's a USC qb, enough said.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, Darnold didn't have years of prepping for this. He was an accidental QB. He would be in his 30's to even catch the amount of reps that Trevor has had to date.

He's just far behind the curve and he really hasn't shown the ability to develop. In hindsight, he probably should have stayed in college all four years. Perhaps he could have learned enough to help his development. But then again, maybe he would have ended up a late round pick and he wouldn't be financially secure. So, maybe it worked out the best for Sam Darnold in the end.

Yep, I think he struck while the iron was hot. It's not like he has been an afterthought in the NFL. The guy has had four years with coaching staffs devoting their focus and efforts on developing and preparing him as a starting QB. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Never draft or sign a qb from USC or Ohio State University.  He's a USC qb, enough said.

We'd be a playoff contender with prime Carson Palmer.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

6 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

What went wrong?  Matt Rhule plus Sam Darnold = bad coach plus bad QB.  

Also Didn’t help that he marinated with the jets, but yeah I think this was destined for failure before he took a snap in Carolina. 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

We'd be a playoff contender with prime Carson 

No we wouldn't.  Palmer is the best you can drag up and he never became anything but a game manager.  I stand by my statement.