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Just now, kungfoodude said:

IIRC you are one of the people who persistently cannot see that Lamar is an elite QB. Not a running back. You can try and gyrate any which way you want but the results, statistics and the tape are saying something completely different. 

About the only shade you can throw at Lamar at the moment is that he is toting a pretty hefty "choker" tag when it comes to the playoffs. 

Jimmy was right, I never called Lamar bad or hes some RB larping as a QB. My hill was he was driving WRs away. You cannot win a modern MVP without being elite.  

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Statistically, I'm pretty sure without looking that Trubisky's stats look more impressive from college...  but it was the eye test.  To me, when a play needed to be made, more often than not Marquise made it.  You could see his leadership and I trusted his decision-making when it mattered.  With Mitch, those aspects were always red flags for me and it was why I never believed in him.  The stats to me looked labored and manufactured - more a result of the system than a guy who is a processing prodigy.  When we needed a big throw or a smart play, it seems like he would always fold in those circumstances, so I just never believed the hype.  I always thought the stats were fairly empty...  his pro career seems to bear that out.  

The difference is that Trubisky actually had NFL skills and Marquise had absolutely none. If you switched brains/hearts, that would be a good NFL player.

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A great qb can compensate for some of that.  Tom Brady did for years.  

But the team would have to be very very wise with the few assets and draft it did have.   

 

Having a premiere QB also helps fill those holes even with fewer assets, as more players will take less to come play with an elite QB.  It's why I dont get all distraught over the idea of the trading picks for a guy like Lamar.  And it's why I've always argued, if you can, you have to figure out QB first, because it makes all those surrounding pieces so much easier to fix versus having the supporting cast in place and needing to find a franchise QB.  All the supporting cast can be A-1, but if you don't have a legit QB it's not going to matter (see: us since Cam's shoulder injury).

 

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4 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

A great qb can compensate for some of that.  Tom Brady did for years.  

But the team would have to be very very wise with the few assets and draft it did have.   

 

Yucs were truly a QB away, but they also didnt have to trade for Brady either. Plus while Lamar is superman and all, but he cannot do what Brady does. Lamar does loads of carrying the ravens tho....

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1 minute ago, Basbear said:

Yucs were truly a QB away, but they also didnt have to trade for Brady either. Plus while Lamar is superman and all, but he cannot do what Brady does. Lamar does loads of carrying the ravens tho....

Yeah, Lamar is an elite QB but no one in the NFL is the level of insane competitor that Brady was. 

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Having a premiere QB also helps fill those holes even with fewer assets, as more players will take less to come play with an elite QB.  It's why I dont get all distraught over the idea of the trading picks for a guy like Lamar.  And it's why I've always argued, if you can, you have to figure out QB first, because it makes all those surrounding pieces so much easier to fix versus having the supporting cast in place and needing to find a franchise QB.  All the supporting cast can be A-1, but if you don't have a legit QB it's not going to matter (see: us since Cam's shoulder injury).

 

If you waste the picks, then its much better to use them for a proven QB. Just if you hit on picks, its the golden goose......great control player for cheap, its the best way to built a team.....just got to hit on them and thats the issue. You could look at recent panthers draft and would you trade - Horn, Brown, Ickey, TMJ(lols), Taylor, Tremble, and BSmith for lamar.....PLUS paying him 55+ sucking up cap space.....man its a tough sale for me, but I could be talked into it.....

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7 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Yucs were truly a QB away, but they also didnt have to trade for Brady either. Plus while Lamar is superman and all, but he cannot do what Brady does. Lamar does loads of carrying the ravens tho....

Fwiw, when I mentioned Brady, I was mainly referring to his time with the Patriots.  Gronk was good, but generally speaking, their wide receiver/running back group over his last few years with the Pats didn't impress me that much.  I think Brady made some average guys look better than they were.  

Although I do think the Patriots did a good job putting together a team that was better than the sum of its parts.  

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2 minutes ago, Basbear said:

If you waste the picks, then its much better to use them for a proven QB. Just if you hit on picks, its the golden goose......great control player for cheap, its the best way to built a team.....just got to hit on them and thats the issue. You could look at recent panthers draft and would you trade - Horn, Brown, Ickey, TMJ(lols), Taylor, Tremble, and BSmith for lamar.....PLUS paying him 55+ sucking up cap space.....man its a tough sale for me, but I could be talked into it.....

There isn't a right or wrong answer there. If you get your elite franchise QB, the fact that you rob 2-3 years of assets becomes less relevant because now you may have a decade or more of time to be a contender just with the addition of that elite guy. You just have to make sure that is the case. If not.......it's gonna be rough.

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