Once And For All (Batted Passes)

[Catsfan69]

You guys keep talking about batted passes. You typically blame the QB but usually that's wrong.

 

People mention the blame belongs primarily with the Oline on here and on YouTube/internet all the time. But a lot of the Huddle doesn't understand this so I'm giving it a last ditch effort to explain. 

 

Rarely does the blame belong on the QB.

 

As an Olineman the minute his (villian) hands go up/jumps your first move is to punch near his balls. They will instinctively flinch and bring their hands down. Fake punching a buddy in the balls to see this effect in real life.

2nd option is to cut the guy. As soon as he jumps take his legs out. Especially on 3 step drops.

3rd option actually punch him in the balls if you have to.

4th option if all else fails stick your facemask in his balls as you cut him. Rarely will you need to do this but some guys just never flinch.

 

These are all tought techniques with any competent staff at the HS and College level. These guys should understand this but I notice a lot of NFL guys don't ever use all the little things probably because they got away with talent in HS and College. 

 

Hope this helps.

Majority blame OL

Minor blame QB

Sometimes the defender just makes a Plat.

Hope this helps clear up some confusion for folks. 

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

You guys keep talking about batted passes. You typically blame the QB but usually that's wrong.

 

People mention the blame belongs primarily with the Oline on here and on YouTube/internet all the time. But a lot of the Huddle doesn't understand this so I'm giving it a last ditch effort to explain. 

 

Rarely does the blame belong on the QB.

 

As an Olineman the minute his (villian) hands go up/jumps your first move is to punch near his balls. They will instinctively flinch and bring their hands down. Fake punching a buddy in the balls to see this effect in real life.

2nd option is to cut the guy. As soon as he jumps take his legs out. Especially on 3 step drops.

3rd option actually punch him in the balls if you have to.

4th option if all else fails stick your facemask in his balls as you cut him. Rarely will you need to do this but some guys just never flinch.

 

These are all tought techniques with any competent staff at the HS and College level. These guys should understand this but I notice a lot of NFL guys don't ever use all the little things probably because they got away with talent in HS and College. 

 

Hope this helps.

Majority blame OL

Minor blame QB

Sometimes the defender just makes a Plat.

Hope this helps clear up some confusion for folks. 

Thanks baker

[Catsfan69]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thanks baker

It's the truth 

[BIGH2001]

This doesn't explain the historical pace we are on for batted passes. 

[Cdparr7]

Okay this is like 1970s high school veer option logic.

Pass Protection in the NFL is kick slide typically. Which is Outside foot- out, inside foot-in to create a pocket. Guy goes inside, you kick slide up, guy goes outside kick slide out. Hands stay close to the breast plate and you punch until he engages.

Now depending on your splits, you may have a more aggressive pass block, especially on RPO or play action. Your feet remain square and you attack similar to as you would on a zone run without going up field and firing on the backer.
 

“cut blocking” is frowned upon in the NFL, so is hitting somebody in the balls. 
 

Baker’s issue is his height and release. He has shorter arms, and throws side armed fairly often. Our pass protection is better now, so rushers will mirror Baker and knock down the pass. 
 

QBs are coached to have a 6x6” release to what is called “zero” this is a 45 degree angle above an outside the shoulder to assist with accuracy and a higher release. Baker’s short arms, shorter height, and throwing motion is to blame. His elbow slot placement is off.

[Mother Grabber]

PJ Walker has 0 batted passes this year…

[CRA]

Yet no mention of the playcalling factoring? 

we are too RPO heavy, to short and to the outside heavy.  They require a certain throw.  Defenders know what is coming way too often. They can see the QB.  The OL can’t.   The timing gets easy. 

[Catsfan69]

2 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

This doesn't explain the historical pace we are on for batted passes. 

Yes it does. Go watch the all 22 tape thread posted today. That guy says the same thing. Not once did they cut not once did they punch in the balls.

Our Oline is lacking in that department. 

 

Here's a link.

 

[Catsfan69]

Just now, CRA said:

Yet no mention of the playcalling factoring? 

we are too RPO heavy, to short and to the outside heavy.  They require a certain throw.  Defenders know what is coming way too often. They can see the QB.  The OL can’t.   The timing gets easy. 

So cut the 5 technique. If you are engaged as an OL you know when he's jumping or his hands go up.

Of course on one of the passes Ian Thomas completely missed the 5.

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, Cdparr7 said:

Okay this is like 1970s high school veer option logic.

Pass Protection in the NFL is kick slide typically. Which is Outside foot- out, inside foot-in to create a pocket. Guy goes inside, you kick slide up, guy goes outside kick slide out. Hands stay close to the breast plate and you punch until he engages.

Now depending on your splits, you may have a more aggressive pass block, especially on RPO or play action. Your feet remain square and you attack similar to as you would on a zone run without going up field and firing on the backer.
 

“cut blocking” is frowned upon in the NFL, so is hitting somebody in the balls. 
 

Baker’s issue is his height and release. He has shorter arms, and throws side armed fairly often. Our pass protection is better now, so rushers will mirror Baker and knock down the pass. 
 

QBs are coached to have a 6x6” release to what is called “zero” this is a 45 degree angle above an outside the shoulder to assist with accuracy and a higher release. Baker’s short arms, shorter height, and throwing motion is to blame. His elbow slot placement is off.

Phillip Rivers wasn’t having 84 balls batted a game.   Everyone isn’t a robot like Peyton. 

[Catsfan69]

cut blocking” is frowned upon in the NFL, so is hitting somebody in the balls. 

 

I don't care if it's frowned upon. It gets hands down almost everythime.

[KSpan]

6 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

PJ Walker has 0 batted passes this year…

[CRA]

Just now, Catsfan69 said:

So cut the 5 technique. If you are engaged as an OL you know when he's jumping or his hands go up.

Of course on one of the passes Ian Thomas completely missed the 5.

Or maybe switch up the playcalling so we aren’t throwing so many quick short balls to outside?   Defenses know too often what we are doing and are dictating the RPO stuff too.  And yes, that comes real problematic because of Bakers size and throwing mechanics (neither of which were going to change in a couple weeks just because we signed him).  Along with our OL isn’t our strength yet. 

all goes back to the same issue.  We are poorly coached.  That’s the summary of the batted ball problem in reality.  
 

 

[Cdparr7]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

Phillip Rivers wasn’t having 84 balls batted a game.   Everyone isn’t a robot like Peyton. 

Better?