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Updated Cap for 2023 after the CMC trade……


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1 minute ago, Toomers said:

It’s nowhere near as bad as the 2013 cap hell. 

In 2013 we had elite players throughout the roster and were winning.

The only reason this will be easier to get out of is because we don't have a quarterback to pay, and we can dump a lot of dead weight easily as we're not trying to win.

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3 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

In 2013 we had elite players throughout the roster and were winning.

The only reason this will be easier to get out of is because we don't have a quarterback to pay, and we can dump a lot of dead weight easily as we're not trying to win.

Ummm... we don't have Cam and that is certainly huge...

But... the current secondary and Oline are far superior than that 2013 team.  The 2013 team had a better Front 7 overall, but Burns, Brown, and Luvu to go along with Horn & Chinn make it a wash for me

This roster overall has as much if not more overall talent than 2013.  QB & HC make a massive difference

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2 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

In 2013 we had elite players throughout the roster and were winning.

The only reason this will be easier to get out of is because we don't have a quarterback to pay, and we can dump a lot of dead weight easily as we're not trying to win.

  2013 had numerous restructuring just to pay who they had. All those same elite players led to 7-9, 6-10, 2-14 before that. Putting actual talent around them for the bare minimum was the start to winning. 

   

   

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8 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Ummm... we don't have Cam and that is certainly huge...

But... the current secondary and Oline are far superior than that 2013 team.  The 2013 team had a better Front 7 overall, but Burns, Brown, and Luvu to go along with Horn & Chinn make it a wash for me

This roster overall has as much if not more overall talent than 2013.  QB & HC make a massive difference

We have a young secondary, and a more balanced offensive line, sure.

In 2013 we had Cam, Luke, Davis, Olsen, Kalil, Gross, Smith, Johnson, Star, Hardy, Addison, Beason, Williams, Stewart, and a ton of good to great roster fillers like Tedd Ginn or Wharton.

Guys, we're the worst team in the league, with one of the worst cap situations. I don't think there's any reason to try and spin it. We had to little cap room, and draft capital being the 32nd ranked team that we had to trade two players to get back into the black. We're just now correcting the deficit, it's not much of a gain.

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4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  2013 had numerous restructuring just to pay who they had. All those same elite players led to 7-9, 6-10, 2-14 before that. Putting actual talent around them for the bare minimum was the start to winning. 

   

   

It was more player development than anything. We had guys like Greg Hardy, and Josh Norman come out of nowhere, and had picks on the interior defensive line that finally developed. The biggest problem in 2011-12 was the defense. The biggest problem in 2014 was the offense, when Gettleman gutted the offensive line, and receivers in the same off-season.

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5 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

It was more player development than anything. We had guys like Greg Hardy, and Josh Norman come out of nowhere, and had picks on the interior defensive line that finally developed. The biggest problem in 2011-12 was the defense. The biggest problem in 2014 was the offense, when Gettleman gutted the offensive line, and receivers in the same off-season.

Josh Norman rode the bench in 2013. The only thing Beason did was leave a 13M dead cap hit after being traded to the NYG for a 7th. Stewart had 180 yds that year with a huge contract. The picks on the iDL were rookies. How did they develop…finally? 
 

  

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2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Josh Norman rode the bench in 2013. The only thing Beason did was leave a 13M dead cap hit after being traded to the NYG for a 7th. Stewart had 180 yds that year with a huge contract. The picks on the iDL were rookies. How did they develop…finally? 
 

  

Oh, we're fixated on just on 2013 now. I thought we were talking about the early 'cap hell' years.

It doesn't really matter anyway. This is inarguably the worst stretch of years in the history Panthers football. We're not doing the up and down seesaw anymore; we're stuck with perpetually losing. This team still doesn't have a quarterback and doesn't have established leaders throughout the roster like those teams had.

We have a few good, maybe great young players, and that's it. We don't have a Cam, Luke young combo that's going to carry the load until we draft them.

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