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Burns is the new Rhule

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One thing you have to bear in mind about that Rams deal is that it was all future picks.  They don't have a first round pick this April.  Thus, the 2024 pick is actually valued as a second and the 2025 pick valued as a third.

When you look at it through that lens the deal looks a little different.

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Just now, BrianS said:

One thing you have to bear in mind about that Rams deal is that it was all future picks.  They don't have a first round pick this April.  Thus, the 2024 pick is actually valued as a second and the 2025 pick valued as a third.

When you look at it through that lens the deal looks a little different.

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6 minutes ago, BrianS said:

One thing you have to bear in mind about that Rams deal is that it was all future picks.  They don't have a first round pick this April.  Thus, the 2024 pick is actually valued as a second and the 2025 pick valued as a third.

When you look at it through that lens the deal looks a little different.

Look at it through this lens...

2023: 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5

2024: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 5, 6

2025: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7

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12 minutes ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

A Super Bowl winning franchise that’s regularly in the playoffs doesn’t offer 2 first and 1 second for an overrated player. That said, you take that deal and run. 

A team that hasn't yet realized it's a shadow of itself does, particularly when it's fighting to stay relevant, and agree 100% that the deal should have been accepted.

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1 minute ago, frankw said:

Burns can still be traded next year people are just mad because they aren't getting instant gratification since the season is a misery factory.

 

People are worried that more game tape is going to show how overrated he is.  We should have taken the deal as fast as possible.

No one hates Burns, he's a decent player, but he isn't a two 1st rounder player.  He's not really a complete DE.  He shouldn't even have made the pro-bowl last year over Reddick on the same team.  He isn't worth a big contract and now that we passed on two first rounder picks he's going to have all the leverage.  So we end up having to overpay for Burns and probably won't have a deal like that again.  

Fans have to stop being sentimental to all players.  Almost everyone is replaceable and if you can get better you need to make the deals.  Burns isn't Peppers.  He isn't someone you build a defense around from what we have seen.

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The 2nd in 2023 changes it to too good to turn down and yet they did. The firsts being future picks is fine in that equation. There is no defending not making that trade for Burns, he isn't worth close to that.

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10 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

Look at it through this lens...

2023: 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5

2024: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 5, 6

2025: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7

This does not put butts in the seats.  Burns does.

Look, I don't think Burns will ever be great here.  He'll be good.  I can however see why the choice was made to keep him, even if I don't agree completely.

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9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

They will never ever get 2 firsts and a second for burns again

If anything the offseason could produce more competition for suitors, especially looking at the potential DE market.  The buyers pool right now is way more limited as teams are set from a cap standpoint.  Not to mention the only buyers at this point in the season are win-now contenders. 

Offseason, the pool widens while they're working new contracts, clearing space.   

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9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

They will never ever get 2 firsts and a second for burns again

While you're guaranteeing this let me know the winning PowerBall numbers too while you're at it.

8 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

People are worried that more game tape is going to show how overrated he is.  We should have taken the deal as fast as possible.

No one hates Burns, he's a decent player, but he isn't a two 1st rounder player.  He's not really a complete DE.  He shouldn't even have made the pro-bowl last year over Reddick on the same team.  He isn't worth a big contract and now that we passed on two first rounder picks he's going to have all the leverage.  So we end up having to overpay for Burns and probably won't have a deal like that again.  

Fans have to stop being sentimental to all players.  Almost everyone is replaceable and if you can get better you need to make the deals.  Burns isn't Peppers.  He isn't someone you build a defense around from what we have seen.

I think some of you are just being emotional and reactive instead of looking at all the angles. No Burns value is not going anywhere and no two people are likely to agree on just how good he is or isn't. If we had traded him I would have accepted it same as any other player I'm not one of these McCaffrey fanatics that will quit the whole team because their favorite player left not even Cam Newton could make me care about or want to remotely follow the Patriots. There are still possible moves to be made in 2023 and especially if we somehow manage to get the first overall pick. Some of you are just hung up on the sting of losing. You'll feel a little better when the season officially concludes for us. In the meantime just laugh at the absurdity of it all.

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