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Brooklyn 3.0 Grand Master

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4 hours ago, Gerry Green said:

There are 2 teams with a realistic shot at the SuperB owl. Buf, and KC. both their QBs were taken right around where we will be sitting. 

 

You play to win, take what you get, and do the best you can with it.

 

Edit to add; Or Hurts in the 2nd, and Prescott in the 4th. It may be nice to have a top pick. But if you play it right. You don't need it.

Interesting thing I just thought of though ...

If we were to draft someone other than a QB with our first rounder, what position would people want? BPA is the easiest way to answer that, but some might say "we NEED a ... ", to which I say, isn't every pick in the draft just like picking a QB early then??? If we need LB help for example ... we could get that in a later round, etc. So it boils down to every pick is a gamble. So you may as well gamble!

And what it all boils down to on the Huddle is very clear to me now: Guys who simply HAVE to see us in the Playoffs versus guys who are fine with not making it.

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Brooklyn 3.0 Grand Master

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3 hours ago, GOAT said:

I was literally just trying to get others thoughts on these teams that have top 3 QB's and their late round back ups are out performing and could potentially dethrone them, but the Huddle had other plans 🥰

 

The answer you seek is not a needed answer, as it is obvious as day: sucks for them.

It doesn't prove or mean anything. Those picks didn't work out. Life moves on.

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39 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

False statement.

When QBs are given the opportunity to start in the NFL for the team that brought them into the NFL, 1st round QBs are less successful at winning games, producing GWD in the playoffs, winning the SB, having a career that lasts 10 seasons, and developing a dynasty.

33 QBs have produced GWD this season. 13 of them are not 1st round QBs.

75 GWD in 2022 to this point. 28 GWD came from the QBs outside the 1st round.

47:20 v 28:13 ... Both groups of QBs have an avg GWD of 2. Seems even again. All I see is that 1st round QBs get more opportunities, take up more draft capital, take up more cap space, win in the clutch less come playoff time, and win SBs less.

And if you are going to pull the Brady is an outlier card, than you also need to call out the Mannings as outliers too. Not many pedigree QB factories loading up the NFL with QBs.

Walsh and Gibbs never drafted a QB in the 1st round. 7 SB trophies. 17% of the last 41 SBs since the 80s.

9 teams have won the SB with a QB they drafted in the 1st round over this same period.

18 teams have won the SB over this period. Once again even.

14 teams have not won a SB over this period.

The Chiefs, Steelers, and Bears are the only NFL teams to win the SB with only 1st round QBs they have drafted. Seems like this is your outlier stat. Relying on 1st round picks for success is not the way to go.

Of course, if the aim is to be a losing team or an average team winning in the NFL as the way you define success, you would be much closer to being correct.

You are literally finding stats to make your argument. That's your prerogative but it's also not reality.

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20 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You are literally finding stats to make your argument. That's your prerogative but it's also not reality.

I like how he said both Mannings have to be outliers because Brady is.  Yeah a 1st round QB winning it all is equally rare as 6th rounder winning 7??  

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2 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

The Chiefs, Steelers, and Bears are the only NFL teams to win the SB with only 1st round QBs they have drafted. Seems like this is your outlier stat. Relying on 1st round picks for success is not the way to go

Why aren’t the packers (Aaron), giants(Eli), cowboys (aikman) broncos(elway) included? They all won super bowls with their first round QBs…. Once you include them that means almost 25% of the teams in the NFL have won a Super Bowl with a first round qb… that alone debunks this entire theory. 

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