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How good is Brian Burns 2022 campaign?

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5 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

What argument have u made? you have made a completely dumb argument about letting a top 10 pass rusher walk for a complimentary 3 RD pick!  we were offered 2 first and a second and your saying it would be better to let him go for a borderline 4th rounder...i mean my god..

I didn’t. You made it. I just brought it infto the light. You want to pay 25-28M to a guy who”isn’t Garrett(makes 25M/year) but is Reddick(15M).” Your words. Can’t be both. 
 

 I was given a specific scenario. And someone asked if I would give Burns 28M/yr. As I’ve always stated I wouldn’t. So anything at that point is a bonus. And this situation won’t come to that. No one said it was better than the Panthers turning down 3 high quality picks for the right to overpay a situational DE by about 10M. That offer will never come again. 
 

   Is it the football you don’t understand or the basic math. 

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On 12/10/2022 at 6:53 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

I really don't understand the hate he gets at times.  He's an elite pass rusher. There's a reason why we fielded the offers we did for him. The dude is a very valuable roster piece. 

With that said, we're gonna continue to suck until we fix our coaching and quarterbacking problems.

McCaffrey got a lot of hate too, at times, and look at him now. It's the Panthers way. 

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42 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

https://espnclt.com/2022/12/20/the-al-wallace-show-defensive-concerns-for-the-panthers-full-show/

 

22 minutes in

 

al Wallace clearly detailing the play of Brian burns 

 

refreshing to hear.   

It's exactly what I've said for years.

Mike Rucker/  Charles Johnson type player. 

Not a game changer.

Not a drive stopper.

 

It's like I'm doing the segment. 

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6 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

McCaffrey got a lot of hate too, at times, and look at him now. It's the Panthers way. 

Cmac hate was unwarranted as the guy absolutely showed up every game. He was the best in the league at his position. 

Burns isn't even close to that production or status.

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6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

No crappy team as the rams is going to give a high second and two firsts.  That ship has sailed.    

I agree, but the team viewed this trade (as teams do - not saying it is how fans should) as two seconds and a third. That is a realistic target to hit or exceed I think.

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1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

I agree, but the team viewed this trade (as teams do - not saying it is how fans should) as two seconds and a third. That is a realistic target to hit or exceed I think.

If that is the case then fitt is a bigger moron then I initially thought.  Personally I think it’s as simple as the front office extremely overvaluing his play/talent.   Which makes no sense considering they just traded cmac for way less.     

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26 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

No crappy team as the rams is going to give a high second and two firsts.  That ship has sailed.    

Yeah but if a QB is on the table then it's worth a look. That deal is dead and will make any other deal look not as good but 2 first isn't bad either. He isn't a Peppers or Miller. He is a good player who could be overpaid and that never ends well...just ask CMC. 

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20 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If that is the case then fitt is a bigger moron then I initially thought.  Personally I think it’s as simple as the front office extremely overvaluing his play/talent.   Which makes no sense considering they just traded cmac for way less.     

I get taking the position that those picks are going to be basically two seconds and a third when you are negotiating the trade, but in reality most people knew the Rams' goose was cooked after this year.  When this year started to go south, the goose was done early and those picks became what they were: a lot more top 10 potential in each round rather than bottom 10.

I never figured out if the people on this board who thought those were going to be pick 24 or below were confusing the teams or hitting the bottle.  The Rams went all in to win a Superb Owl in the short term and the entire world knew it was going to cost them when that window closed.

That has not changed and is playing out as we speak.

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4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If that is the case then fitt is a bigger moron then I initially thought.  Personally I think it’s as simple as the front office extremely overvaluing his play/talent.   Which makes no sense considering they just traded cmac for way less.     

I think this is just the way front offices value draft picks - I think it's a mix of over-valuing him and viewing the draft picks differently than fans for a variety of reasons (unknown future draft position of the other org, unknown needs, unknown if the staff will even be there in 3 years...).  I also think there was more about CMC than what we know RE: why he was traded - I suspect he made it clear he'd like to be. Also given injury history, age, and position, Burns definitely is more valuable.

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