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Ben Johnson has me convinced.

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1 minute ago, La Pantera said:

One season as an OC and NO head coaching experience. That's a huge gamble.

Almost the equivalent of Hiring Joe Brady after the 2020 season...

Why do people keep bringing up "no HC experience"?  Not just you but others do it too.

Ya'll do realize no HC has HC experience until they become a HC, right?  

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4 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

One season as an OC and NO head coaching experience. That's a huge gamble.

Almost the equivalent of Hiring Joe Brady after the 2020 season...

4 HCs in the playoffs right now had zero HC experience prior to their jobs and 1 or less years as coordinators. This just isnt a rule when it comes to hiring. Johnson just did one of the hardest jobs in the NFL and nailed it.

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3 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

One season as an OC and NO head coaching experience. That's a huge gamble.

Almost the equivalent of Hiring Joe Brady after the 2020 season...

Let's take a look at the playoff field:

NFC

1. Philly - Led by a first time HC

2. SF - Led by a first time HC

3. MIN - Led by a first time HC

4. TB - Retread HC

5. Dallas - Retread HC

6. Giants - Led by a first time HC

7. Seahawks - Retread HC

 

AFC

1. KC - Retread HC

2. BUF - Led by a first time HC

3. CIN - Led by a first time HC

4. JAX - Retread HC

5. LAC - Led by a first time HC

6. BAL - Led by a first time HC

7. MIA - Led by a first time HC

 

Someone has to give a coach an opportunity for them to have HC experience. 

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11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Copied from a thread I started about Johnson back before Rhule was fired...

Born in Charleston, South Carolina, Johnson attended high school in Asheville, North Carolina. Upon graduating, he became a walk on quarterback for the UNC Tarheels behind both TJ Yates and current Panthers receiver coach Joe Dailey. Yates would later play for the Miami Dolphins, along with former Panther QB Matt Moore, when Johnson was an assistant there. Also while at UNC, Johnson was a teammate to Hakeem Nicks, Brandon Tate, Cameron Thomas, former (temporary) Panther Hilee Taylor and Connor Barth among others.

Looking at his college coaches, quarterback coach John Shoop had previously served on the offensive staff of the Panthers from their inaugural season through 1998. Retired former Colts coach - and Ron Rivera friend - Chuck Pagano was the Tarheels DC for one of his seasons there. Longtime NFL OL Coach (and also Rivera associate) Hal Hunter was on board for a bit as well. Hunter later coached in Cleveland alongside current Panthers ST coach Chris Tabor (Pep Hamilton was the OC at the time).

Mind you, Tabor’s not the only Panthers staffer with a connection of sorts to Johnson.

Others are, in fact a little more direct...

Let's start with original Panthers head coach Dom Capers who was a defensive assistant last season in Detroit. Among current Panther staffers besides the aforementioned Dailey, quarterback coach Sean Ryan and DL coach Paul Pasqualoni each spent time on the Lions staff with him.

Johnson even has a shirttail connection with Panthers assistant GM Dan Morgan via former Morgan colleague Joe Schoen who was in the Dolphins personnel department (as was former Panthers college scouting director Eric Stokes) for a few seasons while Johnson and now Lions head coach Dan Campbell were on the coaching staff. Said staff also included current RB coach Jeff Nixon and former Panthers player Mike Wahle.

For what some might find the most "fun" connection though, you’ve gotta go back to Johnson’s very first coaching gig..

From 2009 to 2011, Johnson was a graduate assistant and later tight ends coach for a college football program in the Northeastern US.

Specifically, Boston College.

Those three years just happened to coincide with the college career of a certain former Panther who’s best known for playing linebacker.

Yeah…that guy.

I swear, if this guy is a rare coaching mind, that grew up as a Panthers fan, and could potentially convince 59 to join his staff, then let's take this gamble.  I can't even begin to imagine how that could look.

I also imagine he's tight with a few staffs around the league.  

Notable:

He coached with Dan Campbell, Zac Taylor and ZT's father-in-law (Mike Sherman) in Miami.  One of the rare guys who survived the Philben regime into Gase's.  Then was hired away by Patricia to work in DET with our very own Sean Ryan and also, not to mention Darrell Bevell who's now in Miami. 

So then Ben is a rare survivor from Patricia's regime because Campbell came into town and was like, hey bud, let's get back to it.  

So I can see him having connections with us, Cinci, Detroit, and Miami.  All pretty up and coming teams with solid staff in place.  He could have more connections than it seems for a soon to be 37 y/o.  Given his age, he's definitely running around the Taylor/McVay/FedEx Arthur/LeFleur friend group as well.  

  

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4 hours ago, Mage said:

Why do people keep bringing up "no HC experience"?  Not just you but others do it too.

Ya'll do realize no HC has HC experience until they become a HC, right?  

Because this team needs experience not another person trying to figure out how to do their job.. This job shouldn’t be a redo.,

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4 hours ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Let's take a look at the playoff field:

NFC

1. Philly - Led by a first time HC

2. SF - Led by a first time HC

3. MIN - Led by a first time HC

4. TB - Retread HC

5. Dallas - Retread HC

6. Giants - Led by a first time HC

7. Seahawks - Retread HC

 

AFC

1. KC - Retread HC

2. BUF - Led by a first time HC

3. CIN - Led by a first time HC

4. JAX - Retread HC

5. LAC - Led by a first time HC

6. BAL - Led by a first time HC

7. MIA - Led by a first time HC

 

Someone has to give a coach an opportunity for them to have HC experience. 

1. Team had been a winner 

2. OC for years even a Super Bowl team

3. Team had been winning before he got there 

6. Had been a OC for years

There are context to every job.. The context here is this team needs consistency and competence in coaching.. The 1st time they actually got that they were competing for a playoff spot after a 1-5 start..

This team doesn’t need to learn another system and another philosophy until they can show they can build off the one they have now…

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But here we go.. 

If they hire this guy.. A lot posters will hide when it comes to time clock issues.. He doesn’t have a clue about the other side of the ball.. He didn’t hire the right staff because he doesn’t have the network to get a DC that fits.. He loses game because inexperienced.. He sucks at the press conference.. 2 years later he finally gets a former HC on his staff to help him.. No patience when the losing adds up and the division gets there act together..

I shouldn’t see none of this poo because this is who you wanted..

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