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Would you trade 9 for Fields - straight up?

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On 2/17/2023 at 11:33 AM, MasterAwesome said:

Supporting casts are difficult to evaluate sometimes because it's such a synergistic relationship with the QB, so it's hard to judge them independently of one another.  Defense for sure I'll definitely give you that, but who's to say you put a guy like Cole Kmet on another team and he doesn't explode with a different QB?  He's a young, talented 2nd round TE.  Same with Darnell Mooney?  He absolutely looked like a young up and coming receiver after his first two years in the league, before his production fell off this year.  Chase Claypool had very solid #2 receiver numbers in his first two seasons, so I'd consider him a young up and coming receiver as well.  The mid-season trade almost certainly hurt his production since he had to learn a new offense, but if he struggles this year after a full offseason with the Bears/Fields, then that's gotta make you wonder if he's being hurt by his QB play rather than the other way around.

And just to clarify...if you're saying 2021 Hurts and 2022 Fields are similar and 2021 Hurts "didn't look great", are you saying that Fields didn't look great this year?  Maybe I'm not fully comprehending your position.  If you're simply saying Fields didn't look great this past year but you speculate that it's because of his poor supporting cast, then maybe we're not that far off from each other.

Supporting casts are crucial to the discussion when one of the supposed issues for Fields is failure to “elevate” his team like Lawrence. But no one has mentioned that the Bears were in full rebuild/tank mode with 93M in dead cap. That’s why they have about 100M to spend this year. Last year JAX had the 100M and signed players for 260M and 150M guaranteed. Including a 20M/yr WR, an 8M/yr WR, a 9M/yr TE, and a 16M/yr G. Plus a healthy Etienne. A DEF that signed a 15M/yr LB, a 10M/yr DT, a 13M/yr CB, to a DEF that improved from 28th to 12th. 
 

The Bears traded Khalil Mack, Robert QUinn, Roquan Smith. Let Daniels walk with plenty of money. And the result was the worst DEF in NFL. And they are really gonna regret trading for Claypool. 

  So how are those situations remotely comparable? By any metric. One team was “all-in” and the other was trying to get through the season to this offseason. You don’t have to dig deep when the answer is plain as day with each teams intentions for the season. 

  As for Hurts, it took plenty of digging to get past a a lot of similar qualities and stats. No doubt Fields has his issues in the pocket. That improves with experience and confidence. But his extra sacks cost 209 yards more than Hurts. But he rushed for 359 more than Hurts. So it’s not like his proven elite trait hasn’t overcome that problem to a degree. 

 Fields didn’t look great this year just like Hurts didn’t last year. He was very much improved. On a team worse than his rookie year by far. 

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15 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Supporting casts are crucial to the discussion when one of the supposed issues for Fields is failure to “elevate” his team like Lawrence. But no one has mentioned that the Bears were in full rebuild/tank mode with 93M in dead cap. That’s why they have about 100M to spend this year. Last year JAX had the 100M and signed players for 260M and 150M guaranteed. Including a 20M/yr WR, an 8M/yr WR, a 9M/yr TE, and a 16M/yr G. Plus a healthy Etienne. A DEF that signed a 15M/yr LB, a 10M/yr DT, a 13M/yr CB, to a DEF that improved from 28th to 12th. 
 

The Bears traded Khalil Mack, Robert QUinn, Roquan Smith. Let Daniels walk with plenty of money. And the result was the worst DEF in NFL. And they are really gonna regret trading for Claypool. 

  So how are those situations remotely comparable? By any metric. One team was “all-in” and the other was trying to get through the season to this offseason. You don’t have to dig deep when the answer is plain as day with each teams intentions for the season. 

  As for Hurts, it took plenty of digging to get past a a lot of similar qualities and stats. No doubt Fields has his issues in the pocket. That improves with experience and confidence. But his extra sacks cost 209 yards more than Hurts. But he rushed for 359 more than Hurts. So it’s not like his proven elite trait hasn’t overcome that problem to a degree. 

 Fields didn’t look great this year just like Hurts didn’t last year. He was very much improved. On a team worse than his rookie year by far. 

Mack and Quinn I understood as a rebuilding team. Both big money vets on the wrong side of 30. But Smith was just entering his prime. They should've kept him to build around on D because their roster is just gutted.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Mack and Quinn I understood as a rebuilding team. Both big money vets on the wrong side of 30. But Smith was just entering his prime. They should've kept him to build around on D because their roster is just gutted.

I think it was more a positional value decision but l can see both ways. Not signing a G like Daniels(think Corbett, same player and contracts) is the confusing one. With a young QB. Between taking Claypool and giving up Daniels, I’m so glad the Steelers keep an eye on them…lol

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43 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I definitely don't think the Bears would have much trouble finding good offers for Fields if they did decide to go with a QB at #1. Whether we'd be among the suitors or not I have no clue.

Not saying they wouldn't find teams interested,   just not sure who'd give up a top 10 pic for him.  Perhaps I'm not seeing his value correctly,  but thus is my perspective until I actually see any team willing to trade a top 10 pic for 2 years of a rookie contract. 

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1 minute ago, pantherclaw said:

Not saying they wouldn't find teams interested,   just not sure who'd give up a top 10 pic for him.  Perhaps I'm not seeing his value correctly,  but thus is my perspective until I actually see any team willing to trade a top 10 pic for 2 years of a rookie contract. 

 What would be a better option for Carolina, ATL, LV, and others? 
 

 Anthony Richardson who is way behind where Fields was in college. 

Will Levi’s if he’s even there

Carr at 30-35M/yr

Trade 3 1sts for an unknown QB? 
 

Field for 2 years at 10M after already showing major improvements and having the 2nd most rushing yards by a QB. Ever. With a team in tank mode. I’m sure ATL would mind bringing him back home. The Panthers paid Sam Darnold more than Fields will make over his entire rookie contract. Plus multiple picks. 
 



   

  

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5 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I don’t like giving up 5 years of a rookie QB contract for only 2.. But depending on compensation I might be interested in Fields he is a more polished Richardson…

It would be 3 if you’re going to use the 5th year option on one, you have to on the other. He was more polished than Richardson is now, when he got to GA. 

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4 minutes ago, csx said:

Contract length is a valid point. I don't think it's something this staff is going to do anyways though 

The Bears staff is never going to do it. But thinking teams wouldn’t be trying to get him isn’t realistic. And I would take him over any other option the Panthers have right now. 

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