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6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I can tell you what I got out of the presser...

1) Both Frank Reich and Scott Fitterer like David Carr. Between the two, Reich sounded more eager and effusive but that's kinda to be expected since it's not his job to worry about what he's getting paid.

2) Fitterer might have tipped his hand a little bit on one thing: If They did sign Derek Carr, they're probably not going to use their first round pick on a quarterback. If they draft a player, the vet would likely be a bridge type.

3) Perhaps most important, those decisions haven't been made yet, but they're being discussed. It could end up going either way.

This is one of those situations where I really wish the draft happened prior to FA. How bad would it suck to sign Carr to a massive deal and have Stroud slide into our lap a la Justin Fields?

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

This is one of those situations where I really wish the draft happened prior to FA. How bad would it suck to sign Carr to a massive deal and have Stroud slide into our lap a la Justin Fields?

I expect that to be a big part of the discussion.

Fitterer mentioned that if you really like a quarterback, you need to go get him.

But then also said that if you're going to make that kind of commitment to a quarterback, you absolutely need to have conviction on him, not just general belief.

So like I said, I think those discussions happen over this weekend and next week becomes "sh-t or get off the pot" time in regards to Carr.

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24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The part that make me nervous is the "5 year window" talk. I like Derek Carr. I really do. I wouldn't mind signing him. But I don't want to sign Derek Carr to massive 5 year contract with huge guarantees.

 

The 5 to 10 years were concerning a rookie qb.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty sure Reich said that about Carr.

For what it's worth, Reich sounded more positive about Carr than Fitterer but that's probably not a shock given their roles.

After going that route 3x in Indy and eventually getting canned for it I just dont understand why Reich would want to do this?   If you sign him for 3+ years it essentially hamstrings your roster to a degree and massively accelerates your coaching timeline.  Flame out in 2/3 years with carr and thats a wrap.  However your leash is way longer with a rookie and you can put more and better players around them on the roster.  

 

Go get a guy and develop him.  I just dont see the value of a 32 year old qb that is a turnover machine.

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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

After going that route 3x in Indy and eventually getting canned for it I just dont understand why Reich would want to do this?   If you sign him for 3+ years it essentially hamstrings your roster to a degree and massively accelerates your coaching timeline.  Flame out in 2/3 years with carr and thats a wrap.  However your leash is way longer with a rookie and you can put more and better players around them on the roster.  

Go get a guy and develop him.  I just dont see the value of a 32 year old qb that is a turnover machine.

When he was asked about Ejiro Evero, Reich said "I hired a man, not a scheme."

It's the same here. He's not looking at a method, he's talking to a player.

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5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

After going that route 3x in Indy and eventually getting canned for it I just dont understand why Reich would want to do this?   If you sign him for 3+ years it essentially hamstrings your roster to a degree and massively accelerates your coaching timeline.  Flame out in 2/3 years with carr and thats a wrap.  However your leash is way longer with a rookie and you can put more and better players around them on the roster.  

 

Go get a guy and develop him.  I just dont see the value of a 32 year old qb that is a turnover machine.

My hunch as to the "why again".  At the end of the day, you have about 3 years in the league to prove that you are a HC.  Rook, Vet, otherwise...year 3 is a make or break these days.  Hell, lots of teams ain't scared of divorce after 1 or 2.

That said, if he and Fitts have studied these highly rated guys up and down and came away thinking....meh....that's "why again" IMO.

What if you are seeing Baker and Mitch?  Josh Rosen and Maroita?  You take the rookie and it doesn't pan out, I'm guessing your goose is cooked after year 3 either way.

Again, not rooting for Carr, just explaining how I see it.

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1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

My hunch as to the "why again".  At the end of the day, you have about 3 years in the league to prove that you are a HC.  Rook, Vet, otherwise...year 3 is a make or break these days.  Hell, lots of teams ain't scared of divorce after 1 or 2.

That said, if he and Fitts have studied these highly rated guys up and down and came away thinking....meh....that's "why again" IMO.

What if you are seeing Baker and Mitch?  Josh Rosen and Maroita?  You take the rookie and it doesn't pan out, I'm guessing your goose is cooked after year 3 either way.

Again, not rooting for Carr, just explaining how I see it.

And I'd call those statements accurate...

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59 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

After going that route 3x in Indy and eventually getting canned for it I just dont understand why Reich would want to do this?   If you sign him for 3+ years it essentially hamstrings your roster to a degree and massively accelerates your coaching timeline.  Flame out in 2/3 years with carr and thats a wrap.  However your leash is way longer with a rookie and you can put more and better players around them on the roster.  

 

Go get a guy and develop him.  I just dont see the value of a 32 year old qb that is a turnover machine.

Exactly 

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1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

After going that route 3x in Indy and eventually getting canned for it I just dont understand why Reich would want to do this?   If you sign him for 3+ years it essentially hamstrings your roster to a degree and massively accelerates your coaching timeline.  Flame out in 2/3 years with carr and thats a wrap.  However your leash is way longer with a rookie and you can put more and better players around them on the roster.  

 

Go get a guy and develop him.  I just dont see the value of a 32 year old qb that is a turnover machine.

He's not a turnover machine.

Also there's no way Reich is playing politics, worrying about the leash Tepper is going to give him - he's here to win, end of. 

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1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

He's not a turnover machine.

Also there's no way Reich is playing politics, worrying about the leash Tepper is going to give him - he's here to win, end of. 

I said it in the presser thread and I'll say it here too...

Reich was asked about quarterbacks several times. There were only two that he seemed really enthusiastic about.

One of them was Bryce Young, the other was Derek Carr.

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The biggest thing I got from actually listening to both pressers is that "all options are on the table" at QB. They're not trying to "patch" the position. They want long term stability.

Like I've been saying, they aren't going to be willy-nilly with resources as confirmed by Fitterer. Also, confirmed by Fitterer, as I've been saying, if you move up in the draft to get a guy, "you better be right." You better have some "conviction."

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I said it in the presser thread and I'll say it here too...

Reich was asked about quarterbacks several times. There were only two that he seemed really enthusiastic about.

One of them was Bryce Young, the other was Derek Carr.

I think it was because he was asked about those 2 specifically.  I didn't come away thinking he preferred either over any of the other options. I could hear (although just barely) almost all of the questions he was asked in his press conference. His response that i heard on those two came from specific questions on what he thought of each. I never heard him asked about any other qb.

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