QB breakdowns by Josh McCown

[frankw]

16 hours ago, gmonjimbo said:

This isn't to say that Stroud is a horrible QB or throws to wide-open WRs. I think Bryce Young particularly in 2022 operated with less training wheels

Less training wheels? His coach was Nick Saban who will most likely retire with well over 300 career wins. Folks will speak about the OSU offense like it's easy mode then act like Alabama is some low level program run by just anybody. Comical.

[Ivory Panther]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Less training wheels? His coach was Nick Saban who will most likely retire with well over 300 career wins. Folks will speak about the OSU offense like it's easy mode then act like Alabama is some low level program run by just anybody. Comical.

so much passion and heartburn for someone who claims to be cool with either QB. lmao

[gmonjimbo]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Less training wheels? His coach was Nick Saban who will most likely retire with well over 300 career wins. Folks will speak about the OSU offense like it's easy mode then act like Alabama is some low level program run by just anybody. Comical.

Yes, less training wheels. Bryce operated with more command of the offense and this is supported by Nick Saban's comments that Bryce was like an extra coach on the field this year and the Panthers GM stating that Young's understanding of the game is already at an NFL level.

Also, the quality at receiver this year at Alabama wasn't like the previous year with John Metchie and Jameson Williams then before Jaylen Waddle and Devonta Smith or Jerry Jeudy and Henry Ruggs.  No OL, TE, or WR from Alabama is projected to go in the first two rounds this year. Jahmyr Gibbs, their RB should be late 1st or early second.

This isn't a knock on Stroud or why he shouldn't be considered for no.1 pick. He just wasn't asked to do more than Young this past season and had more talent at offense. 

[Martin]

15 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

Yes, less training wheels. Bryce operated with more command of the offense and this is supported by Nick Saban's comments that Bryce was like an extra coach on the field this year and the Panthers GM stating that Young's understanding of the game is already at an NFL level.

Also, the quality at receiver this year at Alabama wasn't like the previous year with John Metchie and Jameson Williams then before Jaylen Waddle and Devonta Smith or Jerry Jeudy and Henry Ruggs.  No OL, TE, or WR from Alabama is projected to go in the first two rounds this year. Jahmyr Gibbs, their RB should be late 1st or early second.

This isn't a knock on Stroud or why he shouldn't be considered for no.1 pick. He just wasn't asked to do more than Young this past season and had more talent at offense. 

There is no doubt Young was asked to do more. The question is what Stroud can do vs. what he was asked to do. I think Stroud projects better to the NFL, but that’s just my opinion.

Young makes me nervous but I will obviously support him 100% if he’s the choice.

SEC wasn’t nearly as good as usual this year, in line with Alabama’s supporting cast, so I think it’s a wash. They are still all 4 and 5 star players.

[Martin]

27 minutes ago, Ivory Panther said:

so much passion and heartburn for someone who claims to be cool with either QB. lmao

For someone that plays the victim card, you sure jump at any chance to poke and prod at people.

[frankw]

27 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

Yes, less training wheels. Bryce operated with more command of the offense and this is supported by Nick Saban's comments that Bryce was like an extra coach on the field this year and the Panthers GM stating that Young's understanding of the game is already at an NFL level.

Also, the quality at receiver this year at Alabama wasn't like the previous year with John Metchie and Jameson Williams then before Jaylen Waddle and Devonta Smith or Jerry Jeudy and Henry Ruggs.  No OL, TE, or WR from Alabama is projected to go in the first two rounds this year. Jahmyr Gibbs, their RB should be late 1st or early second.

This isn't a knock on Stroud or why he shouldn't be considered for no.1 pick. He just wasn't asked to do more than Young this past season and had more talent at offense. 

You can make the argument Bryce was asked to do more but it still helps tremendously to have one of the greatest coaches in college football history to lean on and be coached by. And of course his coach is going to talk him up what else is he going to say? We know he didn't have MH JR but can we please stop acting like he was working with bums? Some of those guys will be drafted let's keep it real here. And even further let's be even more honest. Mac Jones who is overrated AF and was poo on here repeatedly before he was drafted did way more with Alabama and Saban. If Bryce had accomplished what Mac did the Bears would still be sitting at 1. Real talk.

Edited April 4, 2023 by frankw

[Ivory Panther]

3 minutes ago, Martin said:

For someone that plays the victim card, you sure jump at any chance to poke and prod at people.

Once you come at me over N over, I'm ready for all the smoke you got. 

I'm no victim as I dish it back! Y'all came up with this victim thing in your own mind. That's not my personality buddy. If you come at me, I come back at you hard. If you respect me, I respect you back.

If you want to be on my the list, you are welcome to disrespect me & I can add you.

when they were antagonizing me, I didn't see you make these comments toward them.

[Mr. Scot]

19 minutes ago, Martin said:

For someone that plays the victim card, you sure jump at any chance to poke and prod at people.

 

12 minutes ago, Ivory Panther said:

Once you come at me over N over, I'm ready for all the smoke you got. 

I'm no victim as I dish it back! Y'all came up with this victim thing in your own mind. That's not my personality buddy. If you come at me, I come back at you hard. If you respect me, I respect you back.

If you want to be on my the list, you are welcome to disrespect me & I can add you.

when they were antagonizing me, I didn't see you make these comments toward them.

Can anybody spare some popcorn? I'm out.

 

[gmonjimbo]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

You can make the argument Bryce was asked to do more but it still helps tremendously to have one of the greatest coaches in college football history to lean on and be coached by. And of course his coach is going to talk him up what else is he going to say? We know he didn't have MH JR but can we please stop acting like he was working with bums? Some of those guys will be drafted let's keep it real here. And even further let's be even more honest. Mac Jones who is overrated AF and was poo on here repeatedly before he was drafted did way more with Alabama and Saban. If Bryce had accomplished what Mac did the Bears would still be sitting at 1. Real talk.

Of course his coach will talk him up. It's about what's being corroborated  by sources external from Alabama. Our own QB coach Josh McCown mentioned that Young is doing several things that most college QBs aren't asked to do today. This then gets supported by what Saban said and Scott Fitterer, the Panthers GM comments after meeting with Young in person. 

No one said that Alabama doesn't recruit 4 or 5 stars every year or send players to the NFL. I'm comparing the level of talent that Alabama had this year to their previous years 

The one thing Mac Jones did more than Bryce Young is win a national championship as a starter. Jones finished 3rd in the Heisman as his two teammates that year: Devonta Smith won it and Najee Harris finished fifth. Also, Metchie and Jaylen Waddle (played six games) were on the team as well. 

I'm more sure if Bryce was Stroud's or Richardson's frame. The Bears wouldn't have traded out.

[DrowsyJungle]

Another breakdown of Stroud from Kurt Warner 

 

[poundaway]

On 3/29/2023 at 5:39 PM, ForJimmy said:

 

Directly from our HC's mouth.  What more do you need to see here???

I understand why people are uncomfortable with Young's height as it may or may not correlate with durability.

I often thought that Cam's size and athleticism, at least in part, contributed to some  of those roughing the passer NON-calls.  Refs had the attitude, "he can take it".

I wonder if that works in the other direction.

[ForJimmy]

58 minutes ago, poundaway said:

I understand why people are uncomfortable with Young's height as it may or may not correlate with durability.

I often thought that Cam's size and athleticism, at least in part, contributed to some  of those roughing the passer NON-calls.  Refs had the attitude, "he can take it".

I wonder if that works in the other direction.

No doubt they will throw more flags for him IMO. If you sneezed on Brees he got a flag so Young should get his, especially if he is as good as advertised.

[poundaway]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

No doubt they will throw more flags for him IMO. If you sneezed on Brees he got a flag so Young should get his, especially if he is as good as advertised.

It be nice to see what its like on the other side of that.

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, poundaway said:

It be nice to see what its like on the other side of that.

Agreed. I’m just worried the height (2 inches shorter than Brees) could limit some plays and reads and the style (extends plays and takes hits) could lead to a shorter career. He will probably adjust his playing style in the NFL a little which most rookies do anyway.