Pauline believes it's Stroud, but Reich wants AR

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Sure, I've already acknowledged it's a concern, to some people more than others, but it is discussed here like it's a fait accompli that Young is destined to suffer a career-ending injury and that this makes him untouchable. 

Not at all, or at least I don’t think so. It’s the only thing that makes me lean Stroud but I will be very happy with Young and hope he breaks the barrier for the next guy his size. 

[jayboogieman]

All this size arguments are tiring. Three of the top four QBs are little guys compared to the 6'4" 244lb

Go with the true big boy if size is such a concern.

[travisura]

3 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

So were you when you used it to argue in Stroud's favor over Tua. You can't have it both ways. Stroud is 2" taller, but weighs less than Tua according to Stroud's pro day weigh in and the combine. It is what it is.

I was using what Google told me, which is that Stroud weighed a couple of pounds more. Then I was corrected and told that according to combine measurements, Stroud weighed a couple of pounds less. The spirit of the argument that I was trying to make was that there is not a significant difference in their weight, but yes, I did say that Stroud weighed more before the clarification was made. The spirit of the argument that I was pushing back on was saying that Stroud was "smaller" than Tua because he weighed 3 pounds less at their respective combine weigh ins. 3 pounds is not enough in my mind to claim someone is "smaller", especially when the person who weighs 3 pounds less is 2 inches taller.

[Martin]

35 minutes ago, top dawg said:

So you say. Regardless, there was plenty of evidence to suggest that Tua would be injury prone in the NFL. That's not the case with Young.

I agree here that Tua was injury prone in College, no doubt about it. I’m assuming the attempt was to find a comp for Young in the NFL, but clearly there is not one existing today as Young is a far outlier in terms of size for a QB.

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Those measurements don't fit any of the big 4 QBs in the draft.

Stroud: 6'3" 214 or 213 depending on pro day vs combine weight.

Levis: 6'3" 229 at combine

Young: 5'10" 204 at combine

Richardson: 6'4" 244 at combine and pro day

So, who are you referencing? Stroud? Any of them could add or lose weight depending on training regimens.

That number is just from McShay's article.  I guess he is assuming Stroud's frame can add 6-7 pounds before preseason or maybe his ideal guy just weighs 7 pounds more?  It was 6'2" 220 my fault.

“The only thing I'm worried about with  Bryce is can he hold up?” McShay said. “You know, that's really it. I mean, if he was 6-2, 220 pounds, there would be no conversation. Bryce Young would clearly be the number one quarterback in this class.”

[ECHornet]

Some of you are setting yourselves up to be devastated if we select Young. 
 

CJ is bigger 

Young is better

[TLGPanthersFan]

Never get people’s obsession with a player that probably shouldn’t even be drafted in the first round.

[ForJimmy]

9 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

All this size arguments are tiring. Three of the top four QBs are little guys compared to the 6'4" 244lb

Go with the true big boy if size is such a concern.

[jayboogieman]

4 minutes ago, travisura said:

I was using what Google told me, which is that Stroud weighed a couple of pounds more. Then I was corrected and told that according to combine measurements, Stroud weighed a couple of pounds less. The spirit of the argument that I was trying to make was that there is not a significant difference in their weight, but yes, I did say that Stroud weighed more before the clarification was made. The spirit of the argument that I was pushing back on was saying that Stroud was "smaller" than Tua because he weighed 3 pounds less at their respective combine weigh ins. 3 pounds is not enough in my mind to claim someone is "smaller", especially when the person who weighs 3 pounds less is 2 inches taller.

I get what you're saying but height and weight are two different things and really don't have an effect on each other. There are a lot of 6' overweight people that weigh over well over 200 lbs while there are also a lot of 6' plus guys that weigh less than 200 lbs. Now, in such cases, which is "bigger" depends on if you're referencing height or weight.

[jayboogieman]

7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

That number is just from McShay's article.  I guess he is assuming Stroud's frame can add 6-7 pounds before preseason or maybe his ideal guy just weighs 7 pounds more?  It was 6'2" 220 my fault.

“The only thing I'm worried about with  Bryce is can he hold up?” McShay said. “You know, that's really it. I mean, if he was 6-2, 220 pounds, there would be no conversation. Bryce Young would clearly be the number one quarterback in this class.”

gotcha

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Some of you are setting yourselves up to be devastated if we select Young. 
 

CJ is bigger 

Young is better

If you follow the context of most they are saying it is a concern, but they are more than ok with the pick.  It all falls apart with people state it isn't a concern, he won't get hurt because he only did once in college, look he took this one hit and survived so he can take 1000 more etc...

[top dawg]

7 minutes ago, Martin said:

I agree here that Tua was injury prone in College, no doubt about it. I’m assuming the attempt was to find a comp for Young in the NFL, but clearly there is not one existing today as Young is a far outlier in terms of size for a QB.

Well, for me it was an attempt based upon injury projections (which is a slippery slope). Admittedly, I think pro comps are kind of stupid anyway.

[jayboogieman]

5 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Never get people’s obsession with a player that probably shouldn’t even be drafted in the first round.

That argument could be applied to any of the top 4 qbs depending on one's point of view

[Jackie Lee]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

That number is just from McShay's article.  I guess he is assuming Stroud's frame can add 6-7 pounds before preseason or maybe his ideal guy just weighs 7 pounds more?  It was 6'2" 220 my fault.

“The only thing I'm worried about with  Bryce is can he hold up?” McShay said. “You know, that's really it. I mean, if he was 6-2, 220 pounds, there would be no conversation. Bryce Young would clearly be the number one quarterback in this class.”

I've heard Stroud played/weighed in at 220 during the year.