The Whole "SEC" Argument is So Badly Flawed

[Icege]

In the games against Tennessee, Texas, Mississippi State, LSU, Ole Miss, and Auburn he was getting absolutely rocked. 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, poundaway said:

Your the one saying smaller QB's have durability issues. 

Do you have anything to offer on that besides bias?

No, I'm not saying smaller QB's have durability issues.

I'm saying the guy who would be LITERALLY the smallest QB in NFL history will more than likely have injury issues and thus I don't think he's a smart pick over someone like Stroud.  If it was between Young and Levis/AR it's a different discussion, but that's not the case here.

There isn't a fair comparison for him in the history of the NFL

He isn't thickly built like Wilson, he isn't a fast twitch athlete like Kyler to help him avoid big hits, he's built like a slot WR without the speed.

[GOAT]

a lot of typing for something that is going to happen with or without you, or anyone on here for that matter.

[Wundrbread33]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

No, I'm not saying smaller QB's have durability issues.

I'm saying the guy who would be LITERALLY the smallest QB in NFL history will more than likely have injury issues and thus I don't think he's a smart pick over someone like Stroud.  If it was between Young and Levis/AR it's a different discussion, but that's not the case here.

There isn't a fair comparison for him in the history of the NFL

He isn't thickly built like Wilson, he isn't a fast twitch athlete like Kyler to help him avoid big hits, he's built like a slot WR without the speed.

Since there isn’t a fair comparison of him in NFL history, your statement that he “will more that likely have injury issues” is an assumption.

[poundaway]

3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

No, I'm not saying smaller QB's have durability issues.

I'm saying the guy who would be LITERALLY the smallest QB in NFL history will more than likely have injury issues

 

Even though smaller QB's historically have been more durable, theres a cut off somewhere and Young is below it?

[Wundrbread33]

Small guy get hit harder by big guy mean small guy more likely hurt. 
 

Historical data has been provided that suggests the opposite. 
 

You criticize others for assuming he won’t get hurt, but you are doing the same in the other direction; assuming he will get hurt. 

[tukafan21]

24 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

@therealmjland @tukafan21Here is a really good article to help yal's debate.

 

Two good exerpts:

 

Since 2000, nine quarterbacks have appeared in an NFL game listed at 6-1, 200 pounds or smaller: Jeff Garcia, Tim Rattay, Thaddeus Lewis, Doug Flutie, Tyler Huntley, Kellen Moore, John Wolford, Ty Detmer and Koy Detmer. They have started a total of 177 games (106 by Garcia) and appeared in five Pro Bowls (4 for Garcia, 1 for Flutie).

 

Now it gets interesting. Let's start with a few caveats:

∎ As noted, Young would be the smallest first-round quarterback in 60 years. This data may not apply to him.

∎ All NFL quarterbacks, obviously, can get hurt.

∎ This data is a relatively small sample size.

I looked at the top 40 quarterbacks in passing yards over the last 10 years and determined how many starts they missed due to injury using pro-football-reference.com. The data is noisy but the ONLY statistically significant correlation was that heavier quarterbacks were more likely to get injured than lighter quarterbacks.

Twelve quarterbacks missed 15% of their starts or more. Six were 5 pounds heavier (230 pounds) or more than the average of the players in the survey: Nick Foles, Andrew Luck, Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco and Jameis Winston. Two were within 5 pounds of average: Jimmy Garoppolo and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Four were 5 pounds or more less than average: Teddy Bridgewater, Alex Smith, Ryan Tannehill and Lamar Jackson.

Thirteen quarterbacks missed 5% or fewer of their starts. Just three weighed at least 230 pounds ‒ Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Blake Bortles; two of them are early in their careers. Four were around average weight: Patrick Mahomes, Eli Manning, Tom Brady and Philip Rivers. And six were 219 pounds or less: Baker Mayfield, Russell Wilson, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan, Derek Carr and Kirk Cousins.

So are smaller quarterbacks more likely to get hurt? The historical data says the opposite.

Okay... and your point being?

You're talking about comparing it to the AVERAGE weight of QB's, someone 5 lbs lighter than the average QB is still significantly larger than Bryce Young is.

He'd be literally the smallest (lightest) QB in NFL history

The players mentioned there as missing significant gams while being more than 5 lbs less than the average are 2 Gloves, Alex Smith, Tannehill, and Jackson... they are 215, 215, 217, and 212 lbs respectively, meaning they all still have about 20 lbs or more on Young's actual playing weight.

That's anything but insignificant 

Edited April 21, 2023 by tukafan21

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Okay... and your point being?

You're talking about comparing it to the AVERAGE weight of QB's, someone 5 lbs lighter than the average QB is still significantly larger than Bryce Young is.

He'd be literally the smallest (lightest) QB in NFL history

The players mentioned there as missing significant gams while being more than 5 lbs less than the average are 2 Gloves, Alex Smith, Tannehill, and Jackson... they are 215, 215, 217, and 212 lbs respectively, meaning they all still have about 20 lbs or more on Young's actual playing weight.

That's anything but insignificant 

dont know why you are trying to argue with me... there is a comment section in that link. Go chat with the writer of the article. The work and validation they did with data is very releveant to your debate. 

However, if you want my opinion.... you are not doing a good job of countering anyone in this thread. 

[tukafan21]

3 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

dont know why you are trying to argue with me... there is a comment section in that link. Go chat with the writer of the article. The work and validation they did with data is very releveant to your debate. 

However, if you want my opinion.... you are not doing a good job of countering anyone in this thread. 

Call me crazy, but trying to predict Young's durability by comparing him to guys who are 20+ lbs heavier than him is rather flawed and not very relevant.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

If the Panthers choose Bryce, we'll have to conclude the decision makers valued what's between his ears more than whatever additional inches in height the other QBs offered.

Getting a Tom Brady level decision maker doesn't come along too often.

[therealmjl]

11 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Call me crazy, but trying to predict Young's durability by comparing him to guys who are 20+ lbs heavier than him is rather flawed and not very relevant.

Ok then go take it up with the writer of that article.

 

you standing in a corner screaming in this thread isn’t going to change anything

Edited April 21, 2023 by therealmjl

[poundaway]

11 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Call me crazy, but trying to predict Young's durability by comparing him to guys who are 20+ lbs heavier than him is rather flawed and not very relevant.

Assuming he's going to get hurt because he's lighter is rather flawed.

Ask Matt Coral.

[Wundrbread33]

9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Call me crazy, but trying to predict Young's durability by comparing him to guys who are 20+ lbs heavier than him is rather flawed and not very relevant.

At this point, why not just agree to disagree and move on?

 

Stick with you assumption, but allow others to have their assumptions too, and let’s just see how it plays out. 

[therealmjl]

OP started a thread on the SEC and then went on a tangent about bryce young’s waist size