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[TheCasillas]

26 minutes ago, frankw said:

Numbers only tell part of the story everyone with eyes saw him throw a check down behind the line of scrimmage with a playoff game on the line. No one with any self respect or awareness would compare that to Joe Burrow except talking head bros looking for clicks. He isn't without talent but his playoff rep is what it is.

In a game of inches and turnover battles.. you choose one play to make a point. Interesting approach. 

[frankw]

1 hour ago, TheCasillas said:

In a game of inches and turnover battles.. you choose one play to make a point. Interesting approach. 

We can squabble over Kirk's numbers but can we agree linking him with Burrow to soften his playoff record is a stretch? Burrow has already led his franchise to a Super Bowl by age 25 and the Bengals have been one of the worst teams in the league for years.

[Panthera onca]

I agree with Frank. Cousins has shown repeatedly that he can't get it done in the post season. Burrow has taken a moribund franchise and turned them into winners. Case Keenum did more with the Vikings in the post season than Cousins has. Wrap your head around that one.

[TheCasillas]

20 minutes ago, frankw said:

We can squabble over Kirk's numbers but can we agree linking him with Burrow to soften his playoff record is a stretch? Burrow has already led his franchise to a Super Bowl by age 25 and the Bengals have been one of the worst teams in the league for years.

That isnt the topic of the video. I know you just commented on it and did not watch it, so I will provide a summary for you.

The topic is around how these two guys get completely rated on the opposite sides of the spectrum yet have very similiar stats in playoffs, but their defenses are completely oppopsite of each other. They spoke to examples of which the defense bailed Joe Burrow out and he could easily be 1-5 as well with his playoff record. Example provided:

They said it's their fault that these two guys are graded the way they are because it's the media job to create contrast and conflict. They also did say that they both deserve scrutiiny because they are in the most scrutinized position on a football team and are paid handsomely.  However, they went on the defense of Cousins and said that he does get it more than other QBs and people to blindly look away from the Vikings defense. 

All this to say.... the perspective of Cousins is skewed and if you compared him statistically he is up there near QBs like Burrow for elite play. 

So the topic isnt Cousins being better or as good as Burrow, but rather he isn't the choke artist of the Vikings, the Vikings are the choke artists as whole. 

Edited August 2, 2023 by TheCasillas

[TheCasillas]

19 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

I agree with Frank. Cousins has shown repeatedly that he can't get it done in the post season. Burrow has taken a moribund franchise and turned them into winners. Case Keenum did more with the Vikings in the post season than Cousins has. Wrap your head around that one.

Case Keenum was one of the best backup QBs in the league... you make it sounds like he was bad... the dude had:

15k passing yards
63% completion %
78:48 TD:INT
85.2 QBR

Crazy that you are asking someone to wrap their head around that guy winning a playoff game.... lol. That was also the playoff game where Diggs caught the pass where the saints defender whiffed and he had the walk off TD. Crazy ending.

[MasterAwesome]

14 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

 

 

On a bit of an aside...what awful awareness from those non-Hubbard Bengals players on that return lol that stuff always annoys me.  Three of them almost let one dude sneak up from behind because they're just nonchalantly running alongside Hubbard.  Could've easily been called for a "block in the back" penalty too since they waited til the last second to do something about the guy in pursuit.

[TheCasillas]

Just now, MasterAwesome said:

On a bit of an aside...what awful awareness from those non-Hubbard Bengals players on that return lol that stuff always annoys me.  Three of them almost let one dude sneak up from behind because they're just nonchalantly running alongside Hubbard.  Could've easily been called for a "block in the back" penalty too since they waited til the last second to do something about the guy in pursuit.

haha it probably should have been ... its pretty clear the player has their hand on his back and pushes him down.

[Panthera onca]

9 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Case Keenum was one of the best backup QBs in the league... you make it sounds like he was bad... the dude had:

15k passing yards
63% completion %
78:48 TD:INT
85.2 QBR

Crazy that you are asking someone to wrap their head around that guy winning a playoff game.... lol. That was also the playoff game where Diggs caught the pass where the saints defender whiffed and he had the walk off TD. Crazy ending.

Right, he's a great backup QB, not a 40 million dollar per year supposedly franchise guy like Cousins. He got the Vikes to the NFC championship game. I get all the nuance and it is a team game, but the QB has to get some post season wins to be considered elite. Especially one making as much $$ as Cousins. Bill Parcells said it best, "Don't tell me about the pain, show me the baby" , meaning results are what matter.

[TheCasillas]

Just now, Panthera onca said:

Right, he's a great backup QB, not a 40 million dollar per year supposedly franchise guy like Cousins. He got the Vikes to the NFC championship game. I get all the nuance and it is a team game, but the QB has to get some post season wins to be considered elite. Especially one making as much $$ as Cousins. Bill Parcells said it best, "Don't tell me about the pain, show me the baby" , meaning results are what matter.

you are having an empty argument with no one to oppose you.

[Panthera onca]

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

you are having an empty argument with no one to oppose you.

Peace. I just think Cousins is an overpaid loser.

[TheCasillas]

Just now, Panthera onca said:

Peace. I just think Cousins is an overpaid loser.

[X-Clown]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

We can squabble over Kirk's numbers but can we agree linking him with Burrow to soften his playoff record is a stretch? Burrow has already led his franchise to a Super Bowl by age 25 and the Bengals have been one of the worst teams in the league for years.

Not only that, but Cousins has been in the league for over a decade and only has made the playoffs 3 times as a starter, despite being one of the more highly paid starters for several years over that stretch. He's had other meaningful regular season games where he's underperformed too (i.e. primetime games, games with playoff implications, etc). 

[Icege]

18 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

Not only that, but Cousins has been in the league for over a decade and only has made the playoffs 3 times as a starter, despite being one of the more highly paid starters for several years over that stretch. He's had other meaningful regular season games where he's underperformed too (i.e. primetime games, games with playoff implications, etc). 

None of that has anything to do with the point presented in the video though. The point is that Cousins is labeled as somebody that chokes in the playoffs but when lining his stats up alongside Joe Burrow (who is seen in the opposite light) they look incredibly similar with the biggest takeaway being how much better the Bengals defense has performed than the Vikings. Nobody is debating his pay. 

[Pup McBarky]

I don't think anyone is claiming Cousins is as good as Burrow. Or maybe they are. I dunno. I don't think he is. But I wonder what the narrative would be if Cousins' defense had been as effective as Burrow's in the playoffs. Maybe Cousins still finds ways to lose, I dunno, but the video is certainly interesting.