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On 9/14/2023 at 9:24 AM, jasonluckydog said:

I didn't want Fields,  I wanted Carr. We gambled our future on Young. We could have drafted a QB and groomed him behind a pro. 

Same.  And again, as I've said elsewhere, even if we were determined to trade up, I'm sure we were the only dumbass FO that was going to take Young at 1, so we really could've moved up for Stroud or AR (my preference of this class) if need be, for less.  And I still believe Hooker is going to be a good starting QB when healthy, and he could've been had way later.  But ideally, I was happy with signing Carr, playing the year out, then trading up next draft.  But, that's life as a Panthers fan.

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6 hours ago, 45catfan said:

If the Bears have the #1 pick, Caleb Williams might return to school.  He'll pull an Andrew Luck move.

So you are saying he would pass up his first year of eligibility to enter the draft and a $40-$50M contract and risk injury (just takes one hit) in a new conference dominated by Ohio St. & Michigan? I don't see it. If so, just find another Carolina to trade up and draft Maye.  Pretty sure there will be plenty of suitors. 

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6 hours ago, Bearzzz said:

So you are saying he would pass up his first year of eligibility to enter the draft and a $40-$50M contract and risk injury (just takes one hit) in a new conference dominated by Ohio St. & Michigan? I don't see it. If so, just find another Carolina to trade up and draft Maye.  Pretty sure there will be plenty of suitors. 

No team in NFL history has a worst history of developing quarterbacks than the Chicago Bears. Their top 5 quarterbacks in terms of QBR are 

Jay Cutler (never a top 10 QB when he played)

Sid Luckman (retired in the early 1950s & and still ranks #2 on their all time TD pass list)

Billy Wade (played with Ditka on the 1963 title team but is largely forgotten these days)

Jim McMahon (decent QB but far from great. Injuries and his clashes with HC Mike Ditka led to an early end to his career in Chicago)

Mitch Trubisky (nuff said)

Those are the top 5 quarterbacks in Chicago Bear history. Only one of them has played with team since the 1990s started. Why on earth would Caleb Williams want to leave college early to join that organization? 

 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

No team in NFL history has a worst history of developing quarterbacks than the Chicago Bears. Their top 5 quarterbacks in terms of QBR are 

Jay Cutler (never a top 10 QB when he played)

Sid Luckman (retired in the early 1950s & and still ranks #2 on their all time TD pass list)

Billy Wade (played with Ditka on the 1963 title team but is largely forgotten these days)

Jim McMahon (decent QB but far from great. Injuries and his clashes with HC Mike Ditka led to an early end to his career in Chicago)

Mitch Trubisky (nuff said)

Those are the top 5 quarterbacks in Chicago Bear history. Only one of them has played with team since the 1990s started. Why on earth would Caleb Williams want to leave college early to join that organization? 

 

 

 

Especially when they have a defenses minded coach and GM who spent a ton of assets on defense only to still have the worst defense in football. If I’m Caleb I want an offensive minded coach. 

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7 hours ago, SCO96 said:

No team in NFL history has a worst history of developing quarterbacks than the Chicago Bears. Their top 5 quarterbacks in terms of QBR are 

Jay Cutler (never a top 10 QB when he played)

Sid Luckman (retired in the early 1950s & and still ranks #2 on their all time TD pass list)

Billy Wade (played with Ditka on the 1963 title team but is largely forgotten these days)

Jim McMahon (decent QB but far from great. Injuries and his clashes with HC Mike Ditka led to an early end to his career in Chicago)

Mitch Trubisky (nuff said)

Those are the top 5 quarterbacks in Chicago Bear history. Only one of them has played with team since the 1990s started. Why on earth would Caleb Williams want to leave college early to join that organization? 

 

 

 

Hmm, maybe to get paid and not risk an injury?  Do you think Carolina used the same path of thinking when they took a QB from Alabama over a QB from Ohio State?  Too early to tell but Stroud is looking pretty good right now.

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1 minute ago, Bearzzz said:

Hmm, maybe to get paid and not risk an injury?  Do you think Carolina used the same path of thinking when they took a QB from Alabama over a QB from Ohio State?  Too early to tell but Stroud is looking pretty good right now.

If Caleb Williams wants to go to the pros solely for the money he certainly has the right to do so.

If he wants to play pro football at the highest level at the QB position & compete for the playoffs and world titles year in an year out for the majority of his career, then he needs to stay at USC one more year if the Bears even think about drafting him at #1. Chicago is a purgatory for NFL Quarterbacks.

 

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2 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

If Caleb Williams wants to go to the pros solely for the money he certainly has the right to do so.

If he wants to play pro football at the highest level at the QB position & compete for the playoffs and world titles year in an year out for the majority of his career, then he needs to stay at USC one more year if the Bears even think about drafting him at #1. Chicago is a purgatory for NFL Quarterbacks.

 

Of just have the balls to say 'No, I'm not playing there'. In this case only Bear's fans and NFL execs would object. 

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4 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

If Caleb Williams wants to go to the pros solely for the money he certainly has the right to do so.

If he wants to play pro football at the highest level at the QB position & compete for the playoffs and world titles year in an year out for the majority of his career, then he needs to stay at USC one more year if the Bears even think about drafting him at #1. Chicago is a purgatory for NFL Quarterbacks.

 

Or he could pull an Eli Manning / John Elway

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