REPORT: Panthers turned down trade offers for Brian Burns from at least 5 teams

[falconlynx]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Burns' camp has all the ammo in the world. Hell, I'd be shooting to be the highest paid defender in the league because the Panthers sure seems to value him like he should be.

Yeah, and then you can realize we have the franchise tag. 

[falconlynx]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

Okay, first things first, the people saying he's going to walk and we're going to get nothing/compensatory for him just need to stop, that's just flat out pure ignorance or stupidity, your which you'd rather be called.

My best guess at this point is a franchise tag and hold out until he's either traded or sits the first 8 weeks of the season and shows up when he has to in order to get credit for the season.

It just feels like the team and Burns must be too far apart to have get a deal done or it already would have been done, and I can't see him playing week 1 on the tag at this point, not with how this has all gone.

I think in the end he gets traded for a first and a good starting player, hopefully being a WR.  I could very well see it being Higgins and Bengals 1st for Burns in the end.  

I'd also very much be on board with trying to find a way to get Aiyuk out of a Burns trade, as they're going to have to trade him in the offseason with their cap issues, but they won't be able to pay Burns anyways, so not sure how we'd swing that other than Burns for 2 firsts somewhere else and then flip one of them for Aiyuk.

First realistic take I’ve seen on this thread. Good stuff! 
 

Anyone saying he walks with nothing is clueless to the franchise tag and how this usually goes. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, falconlynx said:

Yeah, and then you can realize we have the franchise tag. 

If you've been paying attention you'd know that I've been saying for weeks now that this is headed toward a franchise tag holdout situation.

[falconlynx]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

What did we get for Julius Peppers?

What did we get for Star Lotulelei? 

What did we get for Josh Norman? 

Those were all elite at the time they walked out the door and we got diddly.  

And there are plenty of guys that we let play elsewhere too and got nothing in return for them too.  Because of management of things we got nothing for Panther HOFers like Steve Smith, Cam Newton, etc.   Poorly managed. 

History matters.  It’s why we study it. So you are aware of what has happened and can again.  And it’s safe to say, this is already on a rocky pathway.  And we aren’t unique.  Players walk all the time with teams getting nothing.  I mean to deny the possibility of such is well….

All of these were interesting that don’t feel like the Burns situation so far.

Peppers was a multi-tag storyline where he essentially said he wasn’t going to play anywhere but a big market…

Star didn’t want to be here at all and the Panthers didn’t seem to value his future fit. 

Norman was Gettleman making a really bad decision. Just absolute stupidity, but we may have made the right decision in hindsight as Norman’s play rapidly fell off a cliff outside of the right scheme fit. 

 

[lightsout]

Burns is responsible for 3 tackles per game, on average, and less than a sack per game. 

His impact is fuging non-existent. The fact that he's our sack leader speaks of our inability to generate pressure in general.

He's been roughly 1/3 of our sack production. That's why we're terrified to move on from him.

He's not Micah Parsons. He's not Myles Garrett. He's not TJ Watt. He's not a dominant edge rusher. He's a sack specialist who has at least 20 guys better than him this season across the league.

He disappears save for the random sack he gets on some meaningless second down in the second quarter.

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

Sweat was just got for a 3rd.  Young a 2nd.  

Burns at best would have gone for a singular 1st.   Fitt fumbled that bag so hard.  

Am glad he wasn't traded.  Then I'd have to agree that fitt fuged up. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, lightsout said:

Burns is responsible for 3 tackles per game, on average, and less than a sack per game. 

His impact is fuging non-existent. The fact that he's our sack leader speaks of our inability to generate pressure in general.

He's been roughly 1/3 of our sack production. That's why we're terrified to move on from him.

He's not Micah Parsons. He's not Myles Garrett. He's not TJ Watt. He's not a dominant edge rusher. He's a sack specialist who has at least 20 guys better than him this season across the league.

He disappears save for the random sack he gets on some meaningless second down in the second quarter.

We absolutely should've traded him. But Fitts couldn't afford to after turning down two 1sts from the Rams. He would've gotten absolutely dragged in the media of he ended up trading him for considerably less.

[pantherclaw]

Anybody who says Burns impact is non existence,  or Minimal doesn't understand football.    

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Not doing the rams trade is an all time blunder. Shitterer was put in between a rock and a hard spot. If he traded Brian Bums to one of these teams, it would have been for less than what the Rams offered last year. Even he recognizes that it would be a bad look.

My prediction for a while now is that he gets tagged and then walks for nothing. From 2 first rounders to a 3rd round comp pick. Thanks Scott Shitterer.

[falconlynx]

Just now, pantherclaw said:

Anybody who says Burns impact is non existence,  or Minimal doesn't understand football.    

Yeah, its not just the stats.

From what I see, he’s the only one on our defense that the opposing OC gameplans for. Get rid of Burns and then we have nothing. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, pantherclaw said:

Anybody who says Burns impact is non existence,  or Minimal doesn't understand football.    

It's not elite. Good pass rusher, non-existent against the run. Paying him elite edge rusher money will be a mistake.

[Castavar]

2 minutes ago, falconlynx said:

Yeah, its not just the stats.

From what I see, he’s the only one on our defense that the opposing OC gameplans for. Get rid of Burns and then we have nothing. 

Oh no, we go from the 30th ranked defense to the 32nd.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Bums has had such a huge impact on our defense, thats why Panthers defense has constantly ranked mediocre at best since he's been here. We have to pay him big $$$ so he can continue to be "impactful"

Edited November 5, 2023 by Sean Payton's Vicodin

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Am glad he wasn't traded.  Then I'd have to agree that fitt fuged up. 

Just to be clear, the bag he fumbled was the 2 first rounders and then some the Rams offered.  I don’t think he should of traded him this past week for what dudes were going for