Seems like today put an exclamation point on it...

[Khyber53]

12 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

People really underestimate how bad this team is as a whole. Thomas Brown tried opening up the playbook last week and it resulted in 6 sacks. Started off doing the same thing today and immediately resulted in a few sacks. 

So now we’re stuck playing dink and dunk with no running game. Our WR’s are trash to boot and it’s literally a QB’s worst nightmare. 

yeah the interceptions suck, they were all ugly but this entire situation is a f’n mess. I have a tough time imagining any QB succeeding on this team  

This ^ 100 percent.

This is a bad team, across the board. Poorly put together, poorly built, poorly trained, poorly motivated, poorly played.

Of the 53 people on this team right now, maybe three would start on another team, and 10 more might find roster spots.

I haven't seen a Panthers team this bad since the Weinke season. And we're beginning to look worse. Offense and defense. 

I'd blow it up and trade everyone in the offseason including the Liliputian quarterback for whatever I could get. This place needs a fire sale.

[frankw]

Bryce Young still has the lowest yards per pass attempt and QBR in the NFL. But keep blaming everything and everyone else.

Edited November 6, 2023 by frankw

[CRA]

12 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

This ^ 100 percent.

This is a bad team, across the board. Poorly put together, poorly built, poorly trained, poorly motivated, poorly played.

Of the 53 people on this team right now, maybe three would start on another team, and 10 more might find roster spots.

I haven't seen a Panthers team this bad since the Weinke season. And we're beginning to look worse. Offense and defense. 

I'd blow it up and trade everyone in the offseason including the Liliputian quarterback for whatever I could get. This place needs a fire sale.

The Weinke Panthers > 2010 or 2023 Panthers. 

[Varking]

I’ve been more supportive of Bryce week after week but honestly we should probably stop blaming everybody but Bryce. He deserves his fair share of the blame at this point in the season. 
 

We switched playcaller and the offense is somehow worse now than it was before. Our best offensive game was with Andy Dalton at QB. Bryce had contributed turnovers that were scoring plays for the other team 3 or 4 times now. He’s TD to INT ratio is putrid and he spends most of the game playing it super safe. 
 

We can’t ignore that most of our offensive players around Bryce are having career worst years. From a WR standpoint and TE standpoint is that because they suck or is Bryce contributing to that? 
 

Richardson flashed more in his like 100 pass attempts than Bryce has all season. Levis flashed more in two games than Bryce has all season. I won’t even compare to Stroud. Hell, Tyson Bagent had flashed more in the NFL than Bryce Young. 
 

I’m sure Bryce will be better next season but we need to stop making excuse after excuse for him. Especially when yall were beating your chest last week over 15 points. 

[Carl Spackler]

2 minutes ago, Varking said:

Hell, Tyson Bagent had flashed more in the NFL than Bryce Young. 

A lot of what you said is valid but this made me audibly laugh. These stats are worse than Young’s by far 

[frankw]

Did Bagent throw 2 pick sixes in the same game to the same defender?

Worse by far? Facts say no.

[Varking]

2 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

A lot of what you said is valid but this made me audibly laugh. These stats are worse than Young’s by far 

Remove the Vikings game because he came in late but watch the games. An undrafted d2 rookie qb has made significantly more plays than Bryce

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, Varking said:

Remove the Vikings game because he came in late but watch the games. An undrafted d2 rookie qb has made significantly more plays than Bryce

Must’ve made them on defense, because it wasn’t on offense. 

[electro's horse]

I think my main problem with Bryce v Stroud at this point is how they’re both executing in their offenses. Neither are surrounded by world beaters. 
 

Young is consistently making throws I haven’t seen Bryce attempt. His longest completion all season was to a wide open tight end on broke coverage. If you put young in Houston, he’s not making any of those throws. 
 

based on dalton in Seattle, hard to say Bryce isn’t actively making the offense worse. Obviously yesterday he lost the game on his own. 

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Did Bagent throw 2 pick sixes in the same game to the same defender?

Worse by far? Facts say no.

I think I just showed definitive proof the facts actually say yes lol 

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, Varking said:

I’ve been more supportive of Bryce week after week but honestly we should probably stop blaming everybody but Bryce. He deserves his fair share of the blame at this point in the season. 
 

We switched playcaller and the offense is somehow worse now than it was before. Our best offensive game was with Andy Dalton at QB. Bryce had contributed turnovers that were scoring plays for the other team 3 or 4 times now. He’s TD to INT ratio is putrid and he spends most of the game playing it super safe. 
 

We can’t ignore that most of our offensive players around Bryce are having career worst years. From a WR standpoint and TE standpoint is that because they suck or is Bryce contributing to that? 
 

Richardson flashed more in his like 100 pass attempts than Bryce has all season. Levis flashed more in two games than Bryce has all season. I won’t even compare to Stroud. Hell, Tyson Bagent had flashed more in the NFL than Bryce Young. 
 

I’m sure Bryce will be better next season but we need to stop making excuse after excuse for him. Especially when yall were beating your chest last week over 15 points. 

You hit on one of the big concerns for me. Bryce is committing awful turnovers while also playing very conservatively overall. It'd be one thing if he was turning the ball over doing typical rookie stuff. Forcing the ball downfield, trying to fit the ball in between three defenders, etc. That stuff happens with young QBs. But he's turning it over a lot while being a checkdown king. Oof.

[Varking]

2 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Must’ve made them on defense, because it wasn’t on offense. 

Again, easy to see who isn’t watching but is commenting. 

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, Varking said:

Again, easy to see who isn’t watching but is commenting. 

Yeah I mean they didn’t happen in real life and they’re not in the box score either, but they’re there because you made them up and want them to be there. 

[electro's horse]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

You hit on one of the big concerns for me. Bryce is committing awful turnovers while also playing very conservatively overall. It's be one thing if he was turning the ball over doing typical rookie stuff. Forcing the ball downfield, trying to fit the ball in between three defenders, etc. But he's turning it over a lot while being a checkdown king. Oof.

Yep. 
 

like he’s not even attempting (let alone making) throws young is doing routinely in Houston. 
 

based on what we’ve seen, developing into Brees is a pipe dream. He might develop into like early career Alex smith.