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49 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Everyone knew drafting Bryce meant all pistol or shotgun formations. It basically eliminates over half of a nfl playbook.

 

That’s what Frank Reich does though.  With or without Bryce.   Every stop. SD.  Indy.  Now here.  

there is no adjustment because that's what Frank does.  That’s what he operates his O from.  No matter the QB.  No matter the run game issues.  No matter the protection.  He overuses it in good AND BAD times and doesn’t adjust. 

 

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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

That’s what Frank Reich does though.  With or without Bryce.   Every stop. SD.  Indy.  Now here.  

there is no adjustment because that what Frank does.  That’s what he operates his O from.  No matter the QB.  No matter the run game issues.  No matter the protection.  He overuses it in good AND BAD times and doesn’t  adjust. 

 

Exactly what I was saying 

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On 11/6/2023 at 9:28 AM, Ricky Spanish said:

It has to be the scheme. 4/5 of these guys were starting for us last season and doing a damn good job of it by year's end. Not just run blocking, pass blocking as well. Whatever this scheme is, our line is the square peg in it's round hole. 

It's bad football not worth watching.

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16 minutes ago, Byrdman4real said:

Your right, and another problem is the step backs is not timed right with the WRs routes and the WRs are too slow also, making bryce hold the ball and blocking breakdown.

The scheme stinks but the speed is workable with decent coaching, something they don't have because they haven't adjusted it enough still. It's not great but it's being used as an excuse around here. 

Bryce is holding the ball just like Carr did. I think it's just him along with the other mess going on making it worse just like with Carr. I think when they said point guard they thought it was a positive and it's looking like a negative in reality. Again Dalton busted some of these still held myths in one game yet they keep going. 

Coaching or Bryce? Looks like both to me. 

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5 minutes ago, Waldo said:

The scheme stinks but the speed is workable with decent coaching, something they don't have because they haven't adjusted it enough still. It's not great but it's being used as an excuse around here. 

Bryce is holding the ball just like Carr did. I think it's just him along with the other mess going on making it worse just like with Carr. I think when they said point guard they thought it was a positive and it's looking like a negative in reality. Again Dalton busted some of these still held myths in one game yet they keep going. 

Coaching or Bryce? Looks like both to me. 

I think Bryce has a QB DNA problem.  That's the scary part.   May be the byproduct of his "good brain".  

I think he is of the Teddy Bridgewater, Alex Smith, etc., variety.  That's his mold.  He might can be a better version of them.  I mean, Alex Smith was pretty good when healthy.  But frankly the root cause of many of his issues, is Bryce plays too risk adverse.    

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5 hours ago, hepcat said:

The thing about working in football operations is that there is no degree or formal education required to do it. The criteria to work in the industry is largely where you worked previously and who you know. It’s a certified good ol boy network. That is how you end up with wildly unqualified people making ridiculously too much money to be so bad at something.

Since Tepper bought the team, the thing that I think the Panthers are sorely missing is the soft skills aspects of building a team. Player evaluation in a vacuum is one thing. Data analysis of a players’s stats, physical metrics, it’s all well and good. But the Panthers seem to have fallen off a cliff at finding the right players to pair with the right coaching staff, and having an identity. It’s well documented among former players that player input got shut down as soon as Tepper bought the team. The closest they came to getting back to that was Wilks. The players genuinely seemed to like playing for him and gave their best. The team had an identity and did it well. It didn’t work every game and Wilks made some mistakes. But what he did with this roster was no short of a miracle. 

Tepper truly ruined this franchise, and it’s going to take a long time to fix it. 

True. Despite what some people thought of him, I think players by and large liked and respected Richardson and he also treated them the right way. Sometimes too much so with the big contracts for vets. But it sure as hell beats a guy who thinks he knows it all and can use the same approach that he used managing hedge funds to run an NFL team. 

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

I think Bryce has a QB DNA problem.  That's the scary part.   My be the byproduct of his "good brain".  

I think he is of Teddy Bridgewater, Alex Smith, etc., variety.  That's his mold.  He might can be a better version of them.  I mean, Alex Smith was pretty good when healthy.  But frankly the root cause of many of his issues, is Bryce plays too risk adverse.    

I would take a prime Smith today for Bryce every time. He looks like a Teddy but Teddy could do more he just wouldn't. I just don't see that from Bryce with his skillset. 

Maybe his old playstyle has failed so much so far that he is just shook. The 1 game he was at his best to date was a meh product. I would even take Teddy over Bryce from what I have seen. More upside IMO. 

 

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That’s what Frank Reich does though.  With or without Bryce.   Every stop. SD.  Indy.  Now here.  

there is no adjustment because that's what Frank does.  That’s what he operates his O from.  No matter the QB.  No matter the run game issues.  No matter the protection.  He overuses it in good AND BAD times and doesn’t adjust. 

 

Quite a few runs with the QB under center, this is from Johnathan Taylors big season. From the stats I can find his time in Indy was about 33% under center 66% shotgun......We are nowhere near close to that number under center and it is killing the team. 

Bryce cannot operate under center, period. IF im wrong he needs to prove it on the field. 

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7 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Quite a few runs with the QB under center, this is from Johnathan Taylors big season. From the stats I can find his time in Indy was about 33% under center 66% shotgun......We are nowhere near close to that number under center and it is killing the team. 

Bryce cannot operate under center, period. IF im wrong he needs to prove it on the field. 

There is an old thread where I found the % of each year for him.  I low season for Frank was generally around the 65ish range I think.   I think he was top 5ish in Indy and lead the NFL the year he was fired in SD. 

Bryce was no doubt going to drive it to Frank’s high end.  

I’d  be curious of Bama’s numbers. Don’t watch a lot of them.  I mean Clemson won’t even get under C on the 1.  

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There is an old thread where I found the % of each year for him.  I low season for Frank was generally around the 65ish range I think.   I think he was top 5ish in Indy and lead the NFL the year he was fired in SD. 

Bryce was no doubt going to drive it to Frank’s high end.  

I’d  be curious of Bama’s numbers. Don’t watch a lot of them.  I mean Clemson won’t even get under C on the 1.  

Indy ran Shotgun just over 75% of the time


 

 

Philly ran it 88% of snaps last year.

which actually is a higher pct then what we’re running believe it or not.

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