Why Bryce Young, Carolina Panthers haven't improved with Boomer Esiason

[jayboogieman]

• Starts the show talking about the importance of leadership. Makes the point that the Hurricanes' owner bought that team the same year Tepper bought the Panthers and that the Hurricanes are the only NHL team to make the playoffs each of the last 5 years.
• Boomer says Young is learning and should have sat 6-8 weeks so he could study how Dalton prepped for games
• They point out that Tremble slowed on a route last Sunday and it looked like an overthrow even though Tremble was at fault. Chris asked Boomer if that sort of thing effects how hard and where a QB throws the ball. Boomer says indecisive is the word Chris is looking for. Talks about how not being on the same page leads to indecisiveness.
• Boomer says Young will improve and dedicate himself to doing so. Says Young will add weight/muscle in the offseason.
• They ask Boomer how he would fix the team. Boomer says he's not qualified to fix a team. Boomer gives a lot of fluff about how hard it is for a GM and coach to run a team.
• Boomer says the impatience of an owner can make things worse. Chris says it sounds like Tepper is the problem. Boomer laughs and jokes maybe he should be the coach.
• Asks Boomer if the Carolina job is attractive. He says it is since it's one of only 32 and that every coach believes he is the guy to fix the team. Says Tepper will have to pay a lot of money to land a good coach though.
• They talk about how good Drake Maye is. Boomer loves him and thinks he'll land in New England if the Pats hold on to the second pick. Laughs when Chris says the Bears might take Maye at 1 thanks to the Panthers. Boomer says you can't make stuff like that up.

Not a bad 25 minute watch

[4Corners]

Drake Maye 

[rodeo]

1 hour ago, jayboogieman said:

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• They point out that Tremble slowed on a route last Sunday and it looked like an overthrow even though Tremble was at fault. Chris asked Boomer if that sort of thing effects how hard and where a QB throws the ball. Boomer says indecisive is the word Chris is looking for. Talks about how not being on the same page leads to indecisiveness.

Nobody wants to acknowledge it but this also happened on the open TD throw to Mingo. It still might not have been catchable, but Mingo was jogging.

[BenjaminBreeg]

2 hours ago, jayboogieman said:

• Starts the show talking about the importance of leadership. Makes the point that the Hurricanes' owner bought that team the same year Tepper bought the Panthers and that the Hurricanes are the only NHL team to make the playoffs each of the last 5 years.
• Boomer says Young is learning and should have sat 6-8 weeks so he could study how Dalton prepped for games
• They point out that Tremble slowed on a route last Sunday and it looked like an overthrow even though Tremble was at fault. Chris asked Boomer if that sort of thing effects how hard and where a QB throws the ball. Boomer says indecisive is the word Chris is looking for. Talks about how not being on the same page leads to indecisiveness.
• Boomer says Young will improve and dedicate himself to doing so. Says Young will add weight/muscle in the offseason.
• They ask Boomer how he would fix the team. Boomer says he's not qualified to fix a team. Boomer gives a lot of fluff about how hard it is for a GM and coach to run a team.
• Boomer says the impatience of an owner can make things worse. Chris says it sounds like Tepper is the problem. Boomer laughs and jokes maybe he should be the coach.
• Asks Boomer if the Carolina job is attractive. He says it is since it's one of only 32 and that every coach believes he is the guy to fix the team. Says Tepper will have to pay a lot of money to land a good coach though.
• They talk about how good Drake Maye is. Boomer loves him and thinks he'll land in New England if the Pats hold on to the second pick. Laughs when Chris says the Bears might take Maye at 1 thanks to the Panthers. Boomer says you can't make stuff like that up.

Not a bad 25 minute watch

 

You left out the best part.

Starting around 10:33 mark, Boomer said that Bryce isn't processing things quickly enough, which leads to indecision, which in turn leads to receivers not running routes properly. Elite QBs such as Brady and Mahomes are quick and decisive with their throws, which motivates their receivers to always be alert and ready because the ball could arrive at any moment. Bryce's slow processing, poor ability to read defenses, and indecision lead to problems throughout the offense, from receivers not running routes properly to holding penalties to burned timeouts to false starts and so on and on.

So the blame shouldn't be all placed on the receivers because Bryce is also responsible for their underperformance. 

[jayboogieman]

2 minutes ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

You left out the best part.

If I recapped everything, what's the point in people watching the linked video?

[jayboogieman]

45 minutes ago, rodeo said:

Nobody wants to acknowledge it but this also happened on the open TD throw to Mingo. It still might not have been catchable, but Mingo was jogging.

That doesn't surprise me since Mingo has done the same in other games.

[jayboogieman]

Didn't feel like starting another thread, but this is worth the 11 minute watch

 

[BenjaminBreeg]

36 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

If I recapped everything, what's the point in people watching the linked video?

Because your summary fails to mention that Bryce is causing problems for our receivers, which IMO is a glaring omission. The hosts phrased the question on Bryce's overthrows and underthrows in such a way as to encourage Boomer to place the blame on the alleged poor route running by our receivers, but Boomer declined to do so and instead pointed out that Bryce's indecisiveness is the cause of the poor route running.

Another sign that the hosts were clueless and trying to push a narrative is that they characterized Bryce as "that accurate from Alabama". I'm sorry to break it to you, but Bryce has never been accurate on long throw at Alabama. During his best statistical year at Alabama, Bryce completed only 36.1% of passes 20 yards or longer. That is freaking atrocious. For comparison, Tua's completion rate at Alabama on passes 20 yards or longer was 57.1%, and Mac Jones' was 58%. 

20-yard throws	Comp.	Att.	%	Yards	Y/A	Y/C	Drop
2021: Young	10	33	36.1%	416	12.6	41.6	9%
2020: Jones	29	50	58%	1,279	25.6	44.1	8%
2019: Tua	17	35	48.6%	659	18.8	38.8	3%
2018: Tua	24	42	57.1%	944	22.5	39.3	2%
Source: SECStatCat

[LinvilleGorge]

What would sitting him for the first few weeks of the season accomplished? He's a super processor. The most NFL ready QB in the draft. But he's very physically limited. He wasn't going to get bigger or develop an NFL arm. We just drafted a guy who lacks NFL physical talent. Sitting was just going to delay the inevitable.

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

 

You left out the best part.

Starting around 10:33 mark, Boomer said that Bryce isn't processing things quickly enough, which leads to indecision, which in turn leads to receivers not running routes properly. Elite QBs such as Brady and Mahomes are quick and decisive with their throws, which motivates their receivers to always be alert and ready because the ball could arrive at any moment. Bryce's slow processing, poor ability to read defenses, and indecision lead to problems throughout the offense, from receivers not running routes properly to holding penalties to burned timeouts to false starts and so on and on.

So the blame shouldn't be all placed on the receivers because Bryce is also responsible for their underperformance. 

But the processing thing is fairly common with rookies and can be worked on.  If that is the only issue that Bryce has, then we might be ok.

Unfortunately, that might not be the only problem.  Bryce consistently overthrowing the deep balls or being off target is a bigger problem.  Poor footwork and a slow release could also be issues that are harder to fix.  

[ickmule]

2 hours ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

So the blame shouldn't be all placed on the receivers because Bryce is also responsible for their underperformance. 

100% 

[ickmule]

1 hour ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

Another sign that the hosts were clueless and trying to push a narrative is that they characterized Bryce as "that accurate from Alabama". I'm sorry to break it to you, but Bryce has never been accurate on long throw at Alabama. During his best statistical year at Alabama, Bryce completed only 36.1% of passes 20 yards or longer. That is freaking atrocious. For comparison, Tua's completion rate at Alabama on passes 20 yards or longer was 57.1%, and Mac Jones' was 58%

That’s why I have always called him Mr. Dink & Dunk.  He should have never been the # 1 pick.  

[CRA]

3 hours ago, rodeo said:

Nobody wants to acknowledge it but this also happened on the open TD throw to Mingo. It still might not have been catchable, but Mingo was jogging.

Mingo has ran a ton of horrific routes.  I still go back to those public comments about how Mingo was just too good to take off the field.  That’s when our punt returner pretty publicly seem to call that out.  Wonder if there was just some top down order on how Bryce and Mingo had to be played/repped.  Because what the coaches were saying…..wasn’t jiving with what was happening on the field with Mingo. 

I mean Mingo is a raw-ish rookie.  Hard to have him on the field so much with a rookie QB IMO as the plan.  It’s hard enough with a rookie QB.  Mingo IMO has been too heavily featured given where he is as a WR.   You can’t just be confident in a slow Adam Thielen.  And teams are really now starting to take Adam away. 

[HardcoreHokie]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

But the processing thing is fairly common with rookies and can be worked on.  If that is the only issue that Bryce has, then we might be ok.

Unfortunately, that might not be the only problem.  Bryce consistently overthrowing the deep balls or being off target is a bigger problem.  Poor footwork and a slow release could also be issues that are harder to fix.  

We were sold and bought an Intel Core i9 processor...but instead an AMD Bulldozer was delivered.