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Round 1 Winners and Losers

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6 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Yeah that's true.  Gotta admit though, Minshew looked a lot less capable in IND than earlier in his career.  Think Aiden played for LV with more ease and had a bit better vision/could see more of the field.  Minshew is a real backyard style QB that can get locked on guys.  

Minshew is what he is, a guy that you feel good if he's your #2 for a few games, or a bridge QB. But it seems like the Raiders didn't view him that way with the contract they gave him, nor did they have any faith in O'Connell if they paid Minshew that much and made overtures to draft one too.

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1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

The Raiders got screwed out of Penix.  That could be losing--here is the question:  Do they take Rattler today? 

I don't think they need to panic and get a QB.  They missed out on the top guys, so just build up the team until the right time comes.  You're not getting anyone much more promising than O'Connell (2023 early-4th) to compete with Minshew.  

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1 minute ago, X-Clown said:

Minshew is what he is, a guy that you feel good if he's your #2 for a few games, or a bridge QB. But it seems like the Raiders didn't view him that way with the contract they gave him, nor did they have any faith in O'Connell if they paid Minshew that much and made overtures to draft one too.

Point taken - though it's not too far off Brissett and Tyrod type money who had younger guys like Devito and Howell play over them when push came to shove.

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5 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

Then why did Atl give Cousins 100 million guaranteed if they only think he would start for 1-2 years? Isn't that really stupid or am I missing something?

It's fairly front loaded.  He'll have earned 75 of the 100 guarantee by the end of 2025.  The Falcons can get rid of him for 25 million dead after 2025, and if they play it right (June designation) they can split that over two years.  It's nothing essentially.

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2 minutes ago, BrianS said:

It's fairly front loaded.  He'll have earned 75 of the 100 guarantee by the end of 2025.  The Falcons can get rid of him for 25 million dead after 2025, and if they play it right (June designation) they can split that over two years.  It's nothing essentially.

I see what you are saying.  However, I do not see how paying a QB who has never really taken his team to the promise land $50m per season for 2 years is a wise move.

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4 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Point taken - though it's not too far off Brissett and Tyrod type money who had younger guys like Devito and Howell play over them when push came to shove.

Those situations are kind of different to me - Brissett was only a one year deal and a desperation play for Ron if the Howell experiment didn't go well to try to save his job which was on the hottest of hot seats. 

Tyrod only got 5.5 mil per year and Devito only played initially because Tyrod got injured (and after Daniel Jones was done for the year). Their season was basically over by the time Tyrod was healthy enough to play and they had nothing to lose by seeing what Devito had

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

wait until the falcons learn that Pennix is on his 2nd cadaver acl in his knee

Oh the fans at least know: 

this dude puts it well:

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It’s just so much to unpack:

Cousins:

Cousins is on a 4 year contract

$45 million per year which is same per year as the Mahomes mega contract

The contract is over 50% fully guaranteed

The contract has a no-trade clause

This is a “we 100% believe in you & want to win now” contract

Penix:

Generally considered to be a ‘top 50’ pick

relatively older QB in the draft (24 in 2 weeks)

If he remains a backup through the Cousins contract he will be 28 when he first starts

What is the plan here?

If you are unsure on Cousins either don’t get him or sign him to a higher per year shorter contract, the current contract locks you into him for a long time

If you want to get young QB in an early round to sit behind your starter do it on the last year of your current QB’s contract not day 1 of a 4 year on contract

TLDR: This doesn’t help win now & your pick won’t touch the field until he’s 28 so it probably won’t help you win later.

 

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1 minute ago, X-Clown said:

Those situations are kind of different to me - Brissett was only a one year deal and a desperation play for Ron if the Howell experiment didn't go well to try to save his job which was on the hottest of hot seats. 

Tyrod only got 5.5 mil per year and Devito only played initially because Tyrod got injured (and after Daniel Jones was done for the year). Their season was basically over by the time Tyrod was healthy enough to play and they had nothing to lose by seeing what Devito had

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13 minutes ago, BrianS said:

It's fairly front loaded.  He'll have earned 75 of the 100 guarantee by the end of 2025.  The Falcons can get rid of him for 25 million dead after 2025, and if they play it right (June designation) they can split that over two years.  It's nothing essentially.

Let's put it this way - if the Falcons are planning ahead to get out of a contract that they just signed a month and a half ago, it probably wasn't a good plan. Especially if they did this thinking he was the missing piece to win a championship

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