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Does anyone actually think Bryce will actually be good?

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1 hour ago, frankw said:

Best case scenario is this was a large part of the problem and he is a new and improved version of himself.

The other side to this is he got significantly worse after Reich was canned.

Also just because we've lived it after trading for him. We have to acknowledge the same oft used defense of Sam Darnold. Which was.....*drum roll*.... Mentioning Adam Gase as many times as possible until everyone believed he was the ultimate boogeyman.

We love boogeymen here too.   It’s just Joe Brady!! It’s all him! Meanwhile Rhule was a cartoon clown.  Then it was all Rhule.  Fitterer is actually great! Matt was in complete control!  Now it was all Frank. 

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39 minutes ago, csx said:

Mills was released from the Browns after his first preseason.  Then he went to Canada and was released before the season began there.  He became a photography teacher before his next chance in CFL

Solid point that will probably get ignored or fall on deaf hears to those that need to hear it… 

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18 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Solid point that will probably get ignored or fall on deaf hears to those that need to hear it… 

Guy was just talking out his ass. No excuse when we have info at our fingertips 

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What does a linebacker have to do with a QB other than trying to draw parallels for feels?

Folks spent weeks comparing this kid to hall of famers before the draft but somehow it still just isn't clicking.

How about just let him prove anything at this level and go from there.

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12 minutes ago, frankw said:

What does a linebacker have to do with a QB other than trying to draw parallels for feels?

Folks spent weeks comparing this kid to hall of famers before the draft but somehow it still just isn't clicking.

How about just let him prove anything at this level and go from there.

It’s just a simple lesson that sometimes players take a minute to develop. It’s not always the case but it just feeds into the wait and see approach. Also one poster said Mills flashed instantly when that was clearly not the case. 

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Honestly at this point it's getting disrespectful.

Mills played for a small Division 3 school went undrafted and it took him years to get anyone to believe in him in the NFL.

Bryce Young had some of the best coaching available since high school and played for a modern college football dynasty and one of the best college coaches ever on top of getting every excuse imaginable afforded to him even when he refused to participate at the combine and some of his peers in the same draft had their character attacked on a daily basis. Through all that he still went #1.

Stop the disrespect.

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7 minutes ago, frankw said:

Honestly at this point it's getting disrespectful.

Mills played for a small Division 3 school went undrafted and it took him years to get anyone to believe in him in the NFL.

Bryce Young had some of the best coaching available since high school and played for a modern college football dynasty and one of the best college coaches ever on top of getting every excuse imaginable afforded to him even when he refused to participate at the combine and some of his peers in the same draft had their character attacked on a daily basis. Through all that he still went #1.

Stop the disrespect.

Settle down. People use extreme cases to show points. The point is Mills didn’t flash right away and turned out to be a hell of a player. No one is saying they are the same player. Also the person who said Sam flashed right away to show their point a good player will flash potential right away was incorrect in that case. That is all. Everything doesn’t have to be so absolute. 

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7 hours ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

Bryce Young is not even in same universe with those named Mills and Smitty.  Mills and Smitty showed promise from the start and had hearts of lions. Pillows is soft spoken and quiet.  Bryce yells with his hands over his mouth because he doesn’t want to be too loud. 

I will say this about Bryce, I have never questioned his game or passion for the game. This man, at 5'9 180 had refrigerator sized humans slam into him constantly  for an entire season and not only did he never complain, he appears to have hit the gym and gotten BETTER instead of letting what was a disastrous rookie season destroy his mental. I would have taken by 10 million dollars and quit Andrew Luck type beat. 

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9 hours ago, frankw said:

What does a linebacker have to do with a QB other than trying to draw parallels for feels?

Folks spent weeks comparing this kid to hall of famers before the draft but somehow it still just isn't clicking.

How about just let him prove anything at this level and go from there.

Most nfl ready since luck.   Cerebral.   Point guard.  Elevates all around him.  Mini mahomes.   

 

 

Damn the narrative has changed in a year.  

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    • CRA
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By CRA · Posted

      I don't need that many words to say Bryce Young has not yet surpassed the caliber of QB play that current Joe Flacco represents.   I have watched every game Bryce has played.  He doesn't give you average QB play.   He can't make a ton of throws.  Bryce is consistent overall in what he is.  You can take outlier games on both ends of the spectrum out of play and judge him or any QB.....for Bryce it is unquestioned bottom of the league play.  All you have to do is watch the two play.  Flacco is good enough that if you can keep up right and give him time.....he presents a level of play Bryce can't do as a passer  
    • ForJimmy
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By ForJimmy · Posted

      Not sure.  Which ones have more GWDs in the same time frame?
    • MasterAwesome
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By MasterAwesome · Posted

      You kinda gloss over this, but this is really at the crux of this whole argument....which Flacco are we talking here?  You bring up that he played with 3 different teams but ignore the fact that his performance varied quite a bit from team to team. 2024 Colts: 65.3% completion, 12 TDs, 7 INTs, 220.1 YPG, 7.1 Y/A, 90.5 rating 2025 Browns: 58.1% completion, 2 TDs, 6 INTs, 203.8 YPG, 5.1 Y/A, 60.3 rating 2025 Bengals: 63.4% completion, 12 TDs, 3 INTs, 290.6 YPG, 6.8 Y/A, 96.2 rating 2025 Flacco (Browns + Bengals): 61.1% completion, 14 TDs, 9 INTs, 252.0 YPG, 6.1 Y/A, 80.8 rating vs. 2025 Bryce: 62.7% completion, 14 TDs, 7 INTs, 196.2 YPG, 6.2 Y/A, 86.0 rating I bolded the comparison that I think objectively makes the most sense...just simply comparing the two QBs for the entire season.  Otherwise you'd be cherry-picking Flacco's time with the Bengals and ignoring his earlier stint with the Browns, which sounds an awful lot like people cherry-picking Bryce's stats in the second half of last season. So again, which Flacco?  Basically the only thing consistent with Flacco across each of these teams was his W/L records: 2-4, 1-3, and 1-4 respectively.  I'd say if we're comparing each version of him to Bryce this year: Colts Flacco > 2025 Bryce, Browns Flacco <<< 2025 Bryce, Bengals Flacco >> 2025 Bryce, and 2025 Flacco < 2025 Bryce - Flacco this year only beats out Bryce on YPG but in part because he throws significantly more passes (almost 60 YPG more than Bryce, despite a lower Y/A which is pretty telling) .  Flacco is maybe the most apt case study about how important a QB's circumstances are to his success.  He was easily a bottom 3 QB in Cleveland and arguably top 10-15 in Cincinnati...and we're talking about the same player from the same season.  All that happened was taking him from one team and plopping him onto another team; nothing inherently changed about him as a QB.  Funny enough I think that's all that one dude on here was trying to say when he made that long poorly-received post after having an epiphany working for PFF behind the scenes or w/e.  That it's largely short-sighted to just try to evaluate QBs in a vacuum when there are so many variables at play that ultimately decide whether a QB is successful or not.   I think Bryce has been mediocre at best this season and I'm ready to move on regardless of how he ends this season - I'm highly skeptical a strong end to the season will carry over into next year considering how last year ended and this year began.  I would certainly agree that he's a bottom-third QB this year.  I just don't understand you scoffing indignantly at anyone holding the opinion that Bryce has had a better season than Flacco...I can only assume it's recency bias.  Or maybe you know the stats don't support you, which is why you're conjuring up the god-forsaken arbitrary "eyeball test" which is the kinda thing people in here were saying about Fields for years, pinky promising that he really truly was a franchise QB despite his awful stats.  Perhaps it's called the eyeball test because I roll my eyes anytime I hear someone bring it up seriously as an argument.
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