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Underdog 2nd year QB preview

Jackie Lee

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25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I made it to "Jimmy Clausen and then Bryce Young as basically the worst rookie QBs since 2000..."

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That's such a hyperbolic statement too.

Bryce was straight ass cheeks for probably 93% of last season (and I'm probably being generous) but I could still give you a dozen QBs drafted in the first round since 2000 that were far, far worse than he was.

Hell, Pickles was a 2nd rounder, so if the threshold is any round then I honestly don't think BY even cracks the top 5 of *our* worst drafted QBs since 2000. 

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24 minutes ago, SteveSmithTD89 said:

That's such a hyperbolic statement too.

Bryce was straight ass cheeks for probably 93% of last season (and I'm probably being generous) but I could still give you a dozen QBs drafted in the first round since 2000 that were far, far worse than he was.

Hell, Pickles was a 2nd rounder, so if the threshold is any round then I honestly don't think BY even cracks the top 5 of *our* worst drafted QBs since 2000. 

Let's hear those dozen. Go for it.

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7 minutes ago, Lame Duck said:

Basically Bryce Young has a noodle arm and he won’t fit balls into tight windows.  Too many question marks but we will likely suck cause of Young.

That is not what they said at all. They said he had the two worst starting WR's in all of football and the 3 worst interior guards/center in all of football and its impossible to evaluate. They could count on two hands how many crossing routes the WR's ran, which is ridiculous. "There's a narrative that he's done, he's a bust, but this situation was truly terrible, and just going from awful to average supporting cast/coaching we'll see a true evaluation this year" 

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8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Let's hear those dozen. Go for it.

Brandon Weeden 

Josh Rosen 

Paxton Lynch 

Kenny Pickett

Trey Lance 

David Carr

Joey Harrington 

Patrick Ramsey 

Kyle Boler 

JP Losman 

Matt Leinart 

JaMarcus Russell 

Brady Quinn 

Josh Freemen 

EJ Manuel 

Jake Locker

Johnny Manziel 

Sam Darnold

Dwayne Haskins 

Zac Wilson 

Mac Jones 

 

Theres 20. That's just the first rounders. Open that up to the 2nd,3rd and 4th rounds the list gets tremendously larger.

Hopefully Bryce turns it around in a big way this year but I'm not expecting much. I'd imagine he ends up going down as another name on this list. 

Here's to hoping I'm wrong.

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4 minutes ago, SteveSmithTD89 said:

Brandon Weeden 

Josh Rosen 

Paxton Lynch 

Kenny Pickett

Trey Lance 

David Carr

Joey Harrington 

Patrick Ramsey 

Kyle Boler 

JP Losman 

Matt Leinart 

JaMarcus Russell 

Brady Quinn 

Josh Freemen 

EJ Manuel 

Jake Locker

Johnny Manziel 

Sam Darnold

Dwayne Haskins 

Zac Wilson 

Mac Jones 

 

Theres 20. That's just the first rounders. Open that up to the 2nd,3rd and 4th rounds the list gets tremendously larger.

Hopefully Bryce turns it around in a big way this year but I'm not expecting much. I'd imagine he ends up going down as another name on this list. 

Here's to hoping I'm wrong.

A lot of those guys barely played as rookies.

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11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A lot of those guys barely played as rookies.

I'd argue that not being able to beat out an incumbent starter despite being drafted in the first round could also be quantified as a "bad" rookie season. 

Still, 12 of those guys played more than 10 games as a rookie. 

Again, Im not saying hes a world beater here, in fact I'd wager he's more likely than not to be another name on this long list of 1st round busts, but I also don't think he's even close to being the worst rookie QB since 2000.

 

Brandon Weeden - 15 games 

Josh Rosen 14 games

Paxton Lynch - 5 games

Kenny Pickett - 13 games

Trey Lance - 6 games, starts 

David Carr- 16 games 

Joey Harrington - 14 games

Patrick Ramsey - 9 games 

Kyle Boler - 11 games

JP Losman - 4 games, no starts

Matt Leinart - 12 games 

JaMarcus Russell - 4 games, 1 start

Brady Quinn - 1 game, no starts

Josh Freemen - 10 games

EJ Manuel - 10 games 

Jake Locker- 5 games, no starts

Johnny Manziel - 5 games, 2 starts

Sam Darnold - 13 games

Dwayne Haskins - 9 games 

Zac Wilson - 13 games

Mac Jones - 17 games (probably shouldn't be on here, actually had a solid rookie year)

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If you're not playing you can't be considered bad. Aaron Rodgers didn't play either.

I'm just saying I watch a LOT of NFL football and I can't recall anyone not named Jimmy Clausen who looked worse and I'm not just talking stats. I'm talking about judging talent. A guy can put up ugly stats and still show flashes of the prerequisite talent. That's what was disturbing about Clausen and Bryce. They just flat out didn't look like they had NFL QB talent.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you're not playing you can't be considered bad. Aaron Rodgers didn't play either.

I'm just saying I watch a LOT of NFL football and I can't recall anyone not named Jimmy Clausen who looked worse and I'm not just talking stats. I'm talking about judging talent. A guy can put up ugly stats and still show flashes of the prerequisite talent. That's what was disturbing about Clausen and Bryce. They just flat out didn't look like they had NFL QB talent.

You are forgetting the part where Bryce was thrown into the worst situation of all time with the worst OL of all time and WRs that shouldnt be allowed on a practice field. 

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3 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

You are forgetting the part where Bryce was thrown into the worst situation of all time with the worst OL of all time and WRs that shouldnt be allowed on a practice field. 

None of that matters when your QB can't throw it more than 5 yards down the field

What excuses will you use this season ?

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5 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

You are forgetting the part where Bryce was thrown into the worst situation of all time with the worst OL of all time and WRs that shouldnt be allowed on a practice field. 

He was apparently supposed to be able to overcome being behind the 8 ball front he start. 

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