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We have to give Canales a chance.

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3 hours ago, Manna said:

Canales has to make lemonade with a lemon at QB. He’s not the problem. The improvements to the line and playmakers were apparent in the offseason and it showed today. Guys were open and the offensive line held up (sacks were on corner blitzes). 
 

its my own hypothesis that Canales knows his QB1 sucks, and is doing all he can to show Tepper that. So now were 1-0 in that department. 

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3 hours ago, Martin said:

Reich got fired for the second time in one year because he sucks at coaching 

He may well suck at coaching but Knute Rockne could not have done anything with that situation. 
And he was nonsuck enough to know Bruce belonged on the bench. Of course I could see that and am no ex NFL QB coaching lifer. 

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3 hours ago, AceMan said:

I'm actually worried that Canales will be judged on how "he's not able to fix Bryce" rather than his actual system

There is a mentality represented here that would go there. But I don’t think reasonable people would do that before seeing him in a better situation. 
It is as hard to find a great HC as it is a QB so you want to be certain. 
To me, it is a parallel to the Bruce situation. Bad situation for judging in year one. And he has a better chance than Bruce does. 
 

 

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11 minutes ago, strato said:

There is a mentality represented here that would go there. But I don’t think reasonable people would do that before seeing him in a better situation. 
It is as hard to find a great HC as it is a QB so you want to be certain. 
To me, it is a parallel to the Bruce situation. Bad situation for judging in year one. And he has a better chance than Bruce does. 
 

 

Yeah you tend to see overlaps. Like Rhule stayed and Hurney was kicked out, then Rhule got the hot seat, then back to Fitterer who got canned, now Canales/Morgan are in their new roles together and I think the hot seat shifts to Bryce. I don't think Canales gets the boot until it shows his system doesn't work with an additional QB. Bryce is the one in the hot seat now. 

EDIT: HOWEVER!- Canales has to be willing to pull Bryce and show that with Dalton. He can't just ride the tide with this every week or Tepper will fire everybody including the janitors.

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10 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Yeah you tend to see overlaps. Like Rhule stayed and Hurney was kicked out, then Rhule got the hot seat, then back to Fitterer who got canned, now Canales/Morgan are in their new roles together and I think the hot seat shifts to Bryce. I don't think Canales gets the boot until it shows his system doesn't work with an additional QB. Bryce is the one in the hot seat now. 

EDIT: HOWEVER!- Canales has to be willing to pull Bryce and show that with Dalton. He can't just ride the tide with this every week or Tepper will fire everybody including the janitors.

Well….. he has designed the O for a college QB. Sold out to it I bet.

Makes it harder to just slip a pocket guy in, I would think. I surely don’t know what they have done in that regard. But that would be my caveat. 
 

and good way to put it, overlaps. 

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5 minutes ago, strato said:

Well….. he has designed the O for a college QB. Sold out to it I bet.

Makes it harder to just slip a pocket guy in, I would think. I surely don’t know what they have done in that regard. But that would be my caveat. 
 

and good way to put it, overlaps. 

I would argue that Dalton (even at 36) is equally mobile as Bryce. 

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9 minutes ago, strato said:

You must like to argue lol. 

I'm just saying, I've never seen an athletic Bryce Young scramble in the NFL. He dodges, gets past the LOS and falls down, he couldn't even slide properly last year. 

Many moons ago, Dalton could move around a decent bit. He wasn't a scrambler but he could get where he needed to. Old fella should start his calf and hammy stretches this week. 

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4 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I'm just saying, I've never seen an athletic Bryce Young scramble in the NFL. He dodges, gets past the LOS and falls down, he couldn't even slide properly last year. 

Many moons ago, Dalton could move around a decent bit. He wasn't a scrambler but he could get where he needed to. Old fella should start his calf and hammy stretches this week. 

My first thought was I bet his knees creak. When I got in my 30s is when I had to go home and ice my knees after a softball game. 

I saw Bruce slip a couple of people last year and get to the sticks but he does not need to be doing that. Besides injury, there is not much ball security if they can get a hand on him. 

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Listen, we’re all some kind of professional here. We all have jobs we all have managers we all have reports. By this point most of us are old enough that’s we can smell bullshit. 
 

every one has met a new manager brought in, or a consultant, or seen someone get promoted, and gone “unnnnnnnnnn”

and then there’s that first moment of adversity and the person completely crumbled and everyone knew it was going to happen except the person that promoted or hired him. 

In what professional setting could someone say “we knew it would be a long journey to become us” after a failure of that magnitude and not be laughed out of the room. 

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3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

The sad part is, Bryce likely gets one more season.  He'll get the "new coaching staff, new system" excuse to survive another season.

there is no way in hell any professional coaching staff will run bryce out there for a 3rd year if he looks like he did yesterday.  Hell I think they pull young when we are sitting at the inevitable 0-4.

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