Updated 2025 draft order

[rayzor]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Very possible. I think he's basically already fired and he probably knows it. I mean, there's no salary cap on coaches. Who's to say a team can't go to a coach and say, "Listen, we're going a different direction after this year. We can fire you now or how about $5M to out your thumb on the scale in a non-obvious way and get us better draft position? And yeah, there will be an iron clad NDA you're going to sign."

I'm not saying that it happens but I'm honestly not aware of anything that would prevent it from happening. And honestly in an industry with only 32 tightly linked potential employers in a very small community of professionals it's not like people are going to super eager to burn bridges giving up the dirt anyway. NFL blacklisting is real. Not in a coordinated way but just in the fact that all 32 employees are very similarly motivated type of way. You don't have to have coordination for all 32 teams to arrive at the same conclusion on potential employees.

we haven't had success or anything close to it for years, but it is conceivable that right now, in this moment, there are teams that are making worse choices and who are performing worse than ours because....possible....they aren't, in this moment, better than us. 

it could be that the giants and the saints are worse than us. it could be that even the vaunted jets and cowboys are being managed worse than us and might be performing worse than us. 

you know...right now...this season. 

[Champagnepapi704]

35 minutes ago, rayzor said:

lol i'll explain that once you actually give me the strategy for tanking...sorry, not "tanking" ...getting your team to just not try...or whatever it is you are thinking is such a brilliant tactic to lose games instead of trying to win.

I'm good. Figure it out, I'd say I don't doubt you're a smart guy but I'd be lying.

[rayzor]

14 minutes ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

I'm good. Figure it out, I'd say I don't doubt you're a smart guy but I'd be lying.

lol ok. good strategy when you can't come up with an answer.

shouldn't be surprised that your strategy is to quit. 

 

[Champagnepapi704]

2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

lol ok. good strategy when you can't come up with an answer.

shouldn't be surprised that your strategy is to quit. 

 

Nah just don't have time to keep explaining to people who can't comprehend but you're welcome to continue 

[rayzor]

Just now, Champagnepapi704 said:

Nah just don't have time to keep explaining to people who can't comprehend but you're welcome to continue 

lol like you explained anything.

[Aussie Tank]

For me the difference between this year and other years around tanking is atleast this year we are playing all our young players. So let the chips fall where they fall 

[amcoolio]

Panthers aren't winning another game this season so I don't know what you are worried about. We'll pick top 4 with a 3-14 record. I do think a team will finish 5-12 and end up picking 10th, because there are that many bad teams

[SmokinwithWilly]

3 hours ago, CarolinaLivin said:

Lol alright, you have fun with that.

 

Though I am also intrigued as to how you pull that off and don’t end up fired haha so I can’t be mad. I’ll be waiting for an answer even if i don’t expect a good one. 

Here's how you do it. 

2020 The Washington FT is poised to win the NFC East with a losing record (would be Rivera's 2nd time as a HC) and won't go far if anywhere in the post season. Poised to play the Panthers, Dwayne Haskins is named starter and proceeds to crap the bed in the 1st half, so much so the announcers are saying if Rivera wants to have a chance at winning, he has to be benched. He's played into the 4th qtr before being benched for Heinicke who almost leads the comeback. So close but not quite. Haskins is cut Monday. 

The following week the winner of the Philly/wash game wins the division and heads to the playoffs. The game was a comedy of wtf calls by coaches. I remember watching the game thinking neither of them wanted to win. Pederson ends up tanking worse than Rivera and Washington heads to the playoffs for a 1 and done. 

While not a 8 or 9 game tank-a-thon, that's how you do it, or at least attempt to. Haskins was playing so badly that any coach with serious hopes of making the playoffs was not naming him starter. The team was put in such a bad position that winning was highly unlikely. 

[thunderraiden]

It doesnt matter where we pick outside of the wildcard with the stacked edge rusher class. As long as we get one of Graham, Scourton, Mykel Williams, or Abdul Carter we are gonna make a huge improvement on the d-line next year with a healthy Derrick Brown and Wonnum.

[mav1234]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The players weren't but from a play calling perspective what they were doing just made no damn sense at all. Could the staff just be that dumb? Yeah, absolutely.

I think you may be giving some of these couches too much credit - some of them are incredibly, ridiculously stubborn and will continue to do things that aren't working because it's how they think they need to, heh.

Daboll wasn't rolling over, he's just got a bad team and he isn't very good, either.

[mav1234]

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Here's how you do it. 

2020 The Washington FT is poised to win the NFC East with a losing record (would be Rivera's 2nd time as a HC) and won't go far if anywhere in the post season. Poised to play the Panthers, Dwayne Haskins is named starter and proceeds to crap the bed in the 1st half, so much so the announcers are saying if Rivera wants to have a chance at winning, he has to be benched. He's played into the 4th qtr before being benched for Heinicke who almost leads the comeback. So close but not quite. Haskins is cut Monday. 

The following week the winner of the Philly/wash game wins the division and heads to the playoffs. The game was a comedy of wtf calls by coaches. I remember watching the game thinking neither of them wanted to win. Pederson ends up tanking worse than Rivera and Washington heads to the playoffs for a 1 and done. 

While not a 8 or 9 game tank-a-thon, that's how you do it, or at least attempt to. Haskins was playing so badly that any coach with serious hopes of making the playoffs was not naming him starter. The team was put in such a bad position that winning was highly unlikely. 

Right, there's tons of examples of teams tanking in the last week or two by weird player choices etc. though in yours I think that was just Ron being Ron...

But a team isn't doing that with this many games to go.

[Basbear]

2 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

For me the difference between this year and other years around tanking is atleast this year we are playing all our young players. So let the chips fall where they fall 

 

The one true answer is play to win until you are mathematically eliminated form the playoffs. The second that happens, you are into next year mode. Play the rookies/young players and try new plays. If the old heads don't like it, let them start and rotate the young players. Go for 4th downs, try different methods. like a all-out biltzs. For for gods sake, do NOT win meaningless games. NO ONE CARES OR REMEMBERS!

You not only improve your 1st pick but every single round as well. The value difference between having a top 3 picks and 16th is like the distance from earth to the moon. 

 

This panthers team would 100% have Herbo if not for a late 17th week season fluff win over the iants. Those "win at all cost" nuts don't have the brain power to understand 

Edited November 13, 2024 by Basbear

[Iceup]

5 hours ago, rayzor said:

lol ok. good strategy when you can't come up with an answer.

shouldn't be surprised that your strategy is to quit. 

 

We had the #1 overall pick 2 years ago and look how that turned out. I’m cool with winning and building culture- there’s no “Holy Hand Grenade” in this draft so it doesn’t matter if we pick at 1,2…or 5 …(3?)

Edited November 14, 2024 by Iceup

[Champagnepapi704]

17 minutes ago, Iceup said:

We had the #1 overall pick 2 years ago and look how that turned out. I’m cool with winning and building culture- there’s no “Holy Hand Grenade” in this draft so it doesn’t matter if we pick at 1,2…or 5 …(3?)

The culture that has lead to all those back to back winning seasons right