Has this game changed feelings about Young?

[mav1234]

37 minutes ago, frankw said:

Cam Newton looked like a man amongst boys even when our defense was poo in 2011.

But it needs to be said that the current defense is not as bad as some people are making it out to be. They have put this offense in position to win. But even if we did have a "great" defense it would still be tough to overcome 4 turnovers. That's what this discussion has been about.

The defense blew against Dallas, but they're playing beyond their talent level overall. We had injuries to the worst possible players to have injuries on D because we were so thin at their positions.

But it's so hard to overcome an inept offense... 

[VintagePanther]

Speaking of this game . eddy sure know how to miss a big kick at the worst times . 

[bandu]

what would be easier get a better Qb or continue trying to build an all pro oLine at every position & all pro WR corps  along with Chuba Hubbard's big well deserved contract in order for Bryce Young to be maybe just  one day finally becaome a decent Qb  ?

no  just go get a freaking  better Qb or at least try  & move the freak on out of this madness.because another thing if you continue to do this you will also never have any money to spend on defense 

Edited December 17, 2024 by bandu

[Camp Fodder]

On 12/15/2024 at 3:21 PM, Joe Bear said:

No. He's not a franchise QB, but he's not the worst QB of all time like we feared in September. He was on a heater for a while and he had a bad game in a game I said all week was a horrible matchup for this team. If you don't give up >200 yards rushing and fail miserably on third downs, you can probably overcome 2-3 of his turnovers. But the whole team sucked other than Coker. Young would've needed to have his best game ever to win when the defense is this decimated and awful.

Just curious why you thought this was a bad matchup. The Cowboys are not good 

[Joe Bear]

6 minutes ago, Camp Fodder said:

Just curious why you thought this was a bad matchup. The Cowboys are not good 

Because the Panthers are a worse roster, top to bottom, and last year's beatdown wasn't lost on me. I put 3 units on Dallas ML and was rewarded handsomely.

[raleigh-panther]

23 hours ago, bandu said:

what would be easier get a better Qb or continue trying to build an all pro oLine at every position & all pro WR corps  along with Chuba Hubbard's big well deserved contract in order for Bryce Young to be maybe just  one day finally becaome a decent Qb  ?

no  just go get a freaking  better Qb or at least try  & move the freak on out of this madness.because another thing if you continue to do this you will also never have any money to spend on defense 

You are right

perfection is required for Young to succeed as ive said but you framed it better 

ill add to it, a simplified game plan, reduced playbook,  to help with his size and arm strength.   

  No such thing as a qb sneak anymore   The box gets stacked as there is little chance of a successful deep ball so stop the run, stop the offense 

Ive read that the lack of arm strength has to do with his setup and foot work.  I dont care the reason anymore 

i just don't ever see anything with him than his  floor is his ceiling   I want to be wrong but im not 

One other note, Chuba’s numbers have declined since the Giants game…better defenses and Young’s arm is no challenge to those defenses so box stacked

 

Edited December 18, 2024 by raleigh-panther

[electro's horse]

22 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

Just curious why you thought this was a bad matchup. The Cowboys are not good 

Whatever they are in totality the cowboys are beat up all to hell on both sides of the ball and even that was too much for lil Bryce to overcome. 

Bryce defenders have to hype up every other team and trash every other part of the panthers just because of the situation they’ve put themselves in. 

[Super Grateful]

the Dallas game definitely quelled the hype.

his biggest issue will always be his size, and that shows when he gets sacked. he's simply not big or strong enough to protect the ball. even in the KC game, he fumbled it on a basic sack and thank god icky landed on it. INT's are going to happen, most fans don't understand that tipped balls and wrong routes account for most interceptions. but the wet-bar-of-soap type fumbles upon contact are a huge reg flag.

the common theme with players like Darnold and Mayfield who previously played for us and are now excelling makes me want to practice patience more when it comes to the QB position. I think Bryce bought himself another season, perhaps with more weapons. I do like the idea of adding a QB whether that's a FA or mid round rookie.

if the same mistakes occur next season and we see no further growth or most importantly, wins, then it will be time to move on.

just a quick reminder though, football is not an individual sport. QB is just one position, albeit the most important. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

23 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

Just curious why you thought this was a bad matchup. The Cowboys are not good 

As dumb as it probably sounds, we should have won that game.  Defense was bad but Bryce should have been better.  Pass rush isn't a good enough excuse.

[frankw]

14 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

As dumb as it probably sounds, we should have won that game.  Defense was bad but Bryce should have been better.  Pass rush isn't a good enough excuse.

Last year the Commanders OL gave up 65 sacks same as us. Sam Howell who is now holding a clipboard for another team had the 12th most passing yards through all that and Ron Rivera as his head coach.

Now Bryce Young has an OL that has given up 28 sacks amongst the lowest in the NFL this season and he is still 31st in passing yards. And that's considered an "improvement".

The excuses are beyond stale.

Edited December 18, 2024 by frankw

[DeAngelo Beason]

The whole team played poorly.  This seemed more like a team that wasn't prepared.