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Bryce Young post benching if it were a full season worth of stats.


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I think the author of this piece wants you to believe Bryce is a changed QB post benching and takes some liberties with the data to argue the point.  
 

All that aside, I credit Bryce for coming back strong and fighting.  I don’t see his as a long time answer (I am wrong all the time so if he works out I’m all for it) but I don’t think we need to panic and go in another direction this off-season.  I would bring in someone for competition but don’t want to go down the road of shopping for a franchise in this draft. 

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57 minutes ago, frankw said:

Why combine passing and rushing yards and touchdowns like he's Cam Newton? Well I can already tell it's gonna be a long offseason ahead

As far as where he is now visually I think we can all agree he looks like a different QB. But that also requires acknowledging he was literally a bottom 5 passer amongst all active QB's previously.

As far as this and hypothetical numbers we could engage in exercises like this all day long and make things fit whichever narrative we seek.

Let's take a look at where Teddy would rank if he had his 2020 numbers this season.

Teddy Bridgewater would be:

10th in passing yards this season

9th in passing yards per game

8th in yards per attempt

8th in completion percentage

The simple fact of the matter is Bryce Young is a first overall pick. No matter what anyone here says or anyone in the media says he and we know the expectations that will be set forth for next season. Low end Teddy Bridgewater and Kyle Allen numbers aren't going to cut it regardless of any discussion of supporting cast. The big jump has to happen next season.

The difference is Teddy was ass in the 4th quarter. Bryce has been clutch.

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27 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

These stats are misleading.  He is still throwing about 200 yards a game and 1.5 tds a game these are not even top half of the league numbers.  

Once we get him some top half of the league talent he will easily be up there. He's going toe to toe with top QBs with inferior help

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53 minutes ago, frankw said:

McCaffrey played in 3 games that season.

Of the current receiving group Legette has been really frustrating to say the least but the rest of the group has plenty of potential going forward. But Bryce has one of the best OL's in the league that is also the most expensive too. We have a slew of needs on defense. There will likely be another offensive addition or two down the line but it's going to be up to Bryce to make do with what he's got next season while we rebuild the defensive roster.

Can we agree it's Moore Samuel > our current receiving core?

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15 minutes ago, Car123 said:

The difference is Teddy was ass in the 4th quarter. Bryce has been clutch.

He played well against the Cardinals in what was largely held together by the run game. We got stomped by the Cowboys and Bucs.

I can appreciate being a fan wanting to be on the optimistic side but using words like clutch is veering into hopium territory.

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54 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Top 5 oline.  Top 8ish rb.   1rst rd wr.   Theilen.  Sure there should be upgrades but let's pull back on the excuses a bit.  

Just because he's drafted in the first round makes him good?  Lol we all see XL has been bad this season and while theilen has played well he wouldn't start on most NFL teams he would be a 3rd down slot kinda guy and he's easily our best receiver and that's a problem 

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2 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Can we agree it's Moore Samuel > our current receiving core?

Why is this all you want to talk about?

If we have to surround Bryce with elite talent across the board just to get him to scratch the surface of a Teddy Bridgewater then we keep looking.

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18 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

What does this even mean? A rushing TD is worth 6 points if it’s Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson, Bryce Young, 2015 Peyton Manning. 

We had these same discussions even with Cam. When it comes down to it what a QB does with his arm is more important if you want to win a championship. And that's not even mentioning the fact that Bryce running the ball the way he did against Arizona is not even the slightest bit sustainable for reasons that are extremely obvious.

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