We have a franchise QB

[Joe Bear]

Taking Richardson over Young is piping-hot.

[Joe Bear]

And stupid.

[Vinício Grossi]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

We missed out on Herbert and Sewell by 1 pick each.  I'm not going to go through every draft to find difference making players that we could have had, but you can do the same thing both ways.

Fact is we lose both these OT games and we have the #1 pick, which likely is being turned into multiple 1st's and another couple other picks.

There is no world where these 2 wins and the 8th pick in the draft is better for our future than ending up with say the 5th pick, another 2nd, and then an extra 2026 and maybe 2027 1st rounder.

Culture isn't built because you pull out an OT win, it's built because of everything the team does through the season.  Our culture moving forward would be exactly the same had we lost those two OT games in the end, but because we didn't, we miss out on A TON of talent.

And we got an All Pro DT!
 

Your problem is that you like to complain about everything, you must complain all day long about life, just to seem cool and different.

[SmokinwithWilly]

AR was my pick but only with the right coach, and he needed to sit the 1st season which wasn't going to happen. He needed Shanahan, Campbell, or one of the Harbaughs. Those are the only teams where I think he had a reasonable chance to grow and learn. AR with Frank was going to be a match made in hell. 

[Vinício Grossi]

16 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

You'd take Richardson???? LMAO

Don't even try! He'll want to be the different guy, who understands more than the others, all day long. From his list, you can see that he's not right in the head.

[CardiacCat]

2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Yea!!!!  We won yet another meaningless end of season game that hurt our ability to draft a better player next year.

Honestly, we do this every single fuging year and the fans somehow never learn.  How many times do we have to do this before the fans start to realize it's a vicious cycle that you can't break until you embrace a rebuild?

Again, 2 OTs just dropped us from 1st to 8th in the draft.  Which in the end, probably cost us an additional 1st round pick, maybe a 2nd First, and probably a couple of other middle round picks as well as we'd have been able to trade back.

In no world is that worth the 2 wins that do nothing but provide a temporary enjoyment for those too shortsighted to see how it's not a good thing for us.

just stfu......  as fans we want to see our team win ALL THE TIME.....  constantly hoping for your team to lose so that you MIGHT improve a bit by drafting a higher pick is just sickening

[Hogan]

2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I don't care that this will get poo all over, but I called this before we even took him and I'm now even more confident it will be the case...

People need to stop getting excited about a guy who has a max potential of maybe the 20th best QB in the league and doesn't have the arm talent to will your team into contention every season.

It's the definition of QB and NFL purgatory and how you get stuck drafting in the 12-15 range every year with no shot at ever actually being a contender.

Poo away on this post all you want, but it's true and everyone getting all excited over Bryce rigth now better not complain 3 years from now when we still suck because Bryce just isn't that guy.

2 OT wins in the last month of the season cost us the #1 overall pick, as that's where we'd be if we lost both of those games.  

Hope that temporary moral boost is worth it

Go and look up Minnesota's draft picks over the past 10 years. And Philadelphia. Neither have continuously drafted in the Top 10. I think they have each had one maybe two Top 10 picks.

The point: You DON"T build a great team with Top 10 picks. Why? Because the goal is to improve every year. And with improvement every year, the lower your draft pick is.

By your reasoning, you'd rather have a coach and gm who suck so you can draft high every year.

The goal this year: IMPROVE. Develop players. That has definitely happened. IF Canales and Morgan and the scouts know what they are doing, everything will be fine. 

I would have much rather gone 5-12 and see hope than 2-15 and see no hope. 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, CardiacCat said:

just stfu......  as fans we want to see our team win ALL THE TIME.....  constantly hoping for your team to lose so that you MIGHT improve a bit by drafting a higher pick is just sickening

I want to be playing in the playoffs and contending for SB's.  You don't do that by winning meaningless games in December every freaking season, which we tend to do.

How has that worked out for us since 2015?  It hasn't worked, it's why we've been stuck in NFL purgatory for basically the last decade.  

But sure, let's keep celebrating these late season wins, they keep me all warm and fuzzy inside during those 1-7 starts and ruin the season for us before the midway point of the schedule.

This argument happens every year, at what point do the people who celebrate these wins realize it's not working?  People point out the good players we did draft later in the draft, but they obviously aren't helping turn around the franchise, maybe we'd have gotten even better players than them if we were higher in the draft.

I'm sick of having a terrible team, I'm not going to celebrate wins that cost us significant draft capital when I think we're stuck with an awful QB.  If we had a Drake Maye, who has looked like he has a real future, then yea, I'd be more on board with celebrating a meaningless Week 18 win, because I'd feel we had a future.

Bryce aint it, sure I'd love him to become that guy, but I 100% do not see it happening, so things like today just piss me off as I feel like we keep setting ourselves back as a franchise.

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, Hogan said:

Go and look up Minnesota's draft picks over the past 10 years. And Philadelphia. Neither have continuously drafted in the Top 10. I think they have each had one maybe two Top 10 picks.

The point: You DON"T build a great team with Top 10 picks. Why? Because the goal is to improve every year. And with improvement every year, the lower your draft pick is.

By your reasoning, you'd rather have a coach and gm who suck so you can draft high every year.

The goal this year: IMPROVE. Develop players. That has definitely happened. IF Canales and Morgan and the scouts know what they are doing, everything will be fine. 

I would have much rather gone 5-12 and see hope than 2-15 and see no hope. 

Howie Roseman is literally the best GM in the league at identifying talent, using them as an example is extremely flawed.

The problem is we keep trying to patch the holes on a sinking ship, hoping for a quick fix turnaround, but all it does is keep us in NFL purgatory.  We haven't been good since Cam got hurt in Pittsburgh and yet we haven't embraced a re-build in all those years since then either.

That's not how the NFL works, we have such a bad overall roster, but people are pinning their hopes on a guy who is never going to be an elite QB.

Make it make sense

Again, this same argument has been going on for almost 10 years with this franchise.  Some fans root for losses, the others root for December wins, and we tend to get those late pointless wins almost every season.

How has that worked out for us so far?  How is this franchise doing?  When was the last time we sniffed the playoffs?

At what point do people realize we aren't doing things the right way?

Edited January 6 by tukafan21

[ProcessBlue2]

I had Richardson ranked below Levis, which might actually turn out to be accurate.

[Tbe]

Just now, ProcessBlue2 said:

I had Richardson ranked below Levis, which might actually turn out to be accurate.

I heard AR might be done-done with a serious back injury.

[tukafan21]

7 minutes ago, Hogan said:

Go and look up Minnesota's draft picks over the past 10 years. And Philadelphia. Neither have continuously drafted in the Top 10. I think they have each had one maybe two Top 10 picks.

The point: You DON"T build a great team with Top 10 picks. Why? Because the goal is to improve every year. And with improvement every year, the lower your draft pick is.

By your reasoning, you'd rather have a coach and gm who suck so you can draft high every year.

The goal this year: IMPROVE. Develop players. That has definitely happened. IF Canales and Morgan and the scouts know what they are doing, everything will be fine. 

I would have much rather gone 5-12 and see hope than 2-15 and see no hope. 

Oh, and again, we won 2 late season games in OT.

Are you telling me that if we had lost those games, we wouldn't have had the same development of the players that we had?

That's absolute utter nonsense, pulling out the win has literally ZERO affect on the development of the players.

That's what I think a lot of the "pro late season winning fans" seem to miss in this argument.  I'm not arguing for us to tank, that's nonsense, I'm arguing for us to do exactly what we did, fight hard and stay in games, but I'm wishing the other team would have pulled out the wins in the end.

If we lose the coin toss and give up TD's in those OT games, we have the #1 pick that we can trade and still 100% of the development and improvement of the players over the course of the season.  

In what world is that not better for the future of the franchise to have that #1 pick to trade than the very very very minor good feelings of a couple extra wins?!?!?!

[ForJimmy]

The Lions won meaningless games at the end of the year in DC’s first year. Don’t let the negative fans tell you this win was a bad thing. It was absolutely a good thing. 

[frankw]

Right now we have something strong to build on heading into a very crucial offseason. Morgan needs to nail the draft and free agency. Canales and Bryce need to hit the ground running early in the season and only then will we have an early confirmation. Call me glass half full if you like but I'm a Charlotte sports fan I know better than to assume anything too early. By Halloween next year we'll know.